707 Crash in Iran

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Blib

44,109 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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essayer said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The 747-400 only entered service 30 years ago.
And BA has now started withdrawing them..
According to Big Jet TV they retired the 35th of their 36 400s yesterday....

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Aged airframes still flying is absolutely fascinating to me.

I was watching a YouTube clip of a flight in a B29 bomber in the states.

The only link to 21st century being a couple of ipads being used for what looked like navigation.

Led me on to reading about the B52 bomber which first flew in the 1960s and is supposed to stay in service until the 2050s.

Almost 100 years.

Imagine keeping a company car going that long. hehe

I do wonder how long does an aircraft remain in service with any of its original airframe?

surveyor

17,823 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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essayer said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The 747-400 only entered service 30 years ago.
And BA has now started withdrawing them..
Only some of them. They are keeping some of the bangers going for a lot longer yet.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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croyde said:
Aged airframes still flying is absolutely fascinating to me.

I was watching a YouTube clip of a flight in a B29 bomber in the states.

The only link to 21st century being a couple of ipads being used for what looked like navigation.

Led me on to reading about the B52 bomber which first flew in the 1960s and is supposed to stay in service until the 2050s.

Almost 100 years.

Imagine keeping a company car going that long. hehe

I do wonder how long does an aircraft remain in service with any of its original airframe?
At one time a military pilot would expect to fly a variety of operational types during their career. Now there are aircrew flying the same types their grandparents flew.

aeropilot

34,599 posts

227 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Dr Jekyll said:
croyde said:
Aged airframes still flying is absolutely fascinating to me.

I was watching a YouTube clip of a flight in a B29 bomber in the states.

The only link to 21st century being a couple of ipads being used for what looked like navigation.

Led me on to reading about the B52 bomber which first flew in the 1960s and is supposed to stay in service until the 2050s.

Almost 100 years.

Imagine keeping a company car going that long. hehe

I do wonder how long does an aircraft remain in service with any of its original airframe?
At one time a military pilot would expect to fly a variety of operational types during their career. Now there are aircrew flying the same types their grandparents flew.
There was an article I read a while ago about the B-52 upgrade, and one of the current B-52 unit commanders was citing that his father was a B-52 pilot back in the 60's and the same aircraft serial numbers appear in both their log books, so its entirely possible that a younger 52 pilot could have the same aircraft in his log book today that a grandfather who was a pilot did when the last of the H models entered USAF service in the early 60's.




WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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HoHoHo said:
When I was a young lad living in the Middle East I would always try and go back to school on a BA TriStar.

They were a lovely, lovely aircraft and I had more confidence in them than the DC10 which at the time was having a bit of a bad run!
Slowest take off I've ever been on, the Tristar seemed really wheezy. I'm sure we were in the weeds at the end of the runway before we got airborne biggrin

Trevatanus

11,123 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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surveyor said:
essayer said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The 747-400 only entered service 30 years ago.
And BA has now started withdrawing them..
Only some of them. They are keeping some of the bangers going for a lot longer yet.
I think I heard they were sticking with them till about 2024.
Still over 30 in service.

http://thebasource.com/aircraft/b747-400/

oyster

12,596 posts

248 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Brother D said:
surveyor said:
Max_Torque said:
Ok aero fact lovers, answer me this:

What is the oldest airframe still flying in regular service anywhere in the world??


(regular service should be timetabled, normal service, in any country?)


My bets are on some old single prop driven high wing crate chugging round Alaska or somewhere equally remote??
BA’s 747’s should qualify....
Beat me to it. I took a BA from Phoenix to LHR and this was the state of the aircraft (+30 years I believe) - Its a mystery why anyone flies BA if there are other alternatives available.

Why have you posted a picture of a 3 year old carpet being frayed? What has the age of a carpet got to do with the airworthiness of an airframe?

In any case, show me a quieter cabin than the upper deck of a BA 747.

surveyor

17,823 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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oyster said:
Why have you posted a picture of a 3 year old carpet being frayed? What has the age of a carpet got to do with the airworthiness of an airframe?

In any case, show me a quieter cabin than the upper deck of a BA 747.
Probably because that's what he saw.... Public perception of maintenance is based on this... and frankly the quietness of the upper deck means nothing to many travelers...

hantsxlg

862 posts

232 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Upper deck on be 747-4s is noisey and full of riff raff... I remember the days of civilised 747-100 Upper deck bar...

eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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texaxile said:
Out of interest and hopefully not too far off topic, if there are still a few 707's flying, why are there only 2 (according to wiki) L1011 Tristars still flying given that the airframes are younger than those of the 707?.
In reality only one Tristar is still flying, being Stargazer. The other one listed on Wiki was only made airworthy for one flight to it's current location with no plans to fly it again.

peter tdci

1,768 posts

150 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Trevatanus said:
I think I heard they were sticking with them till about 2024.
Still over 30 in service.
http://thebasource.com/aircraft/b747-400/
My return flight to Dubai last weekend seemed to embody the switch in philosophy from 4 to 2 engines (if you exclude the A380, of course!) and span the short spell when BA bought both types for longhaul.

Out on BA's oldest 777 - at almost 23 years old, the 6th one built. Back on their second youngest 747 - at a spritely 20 years and a bit.

ubbs

649 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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HoHoHo said:
Airplane The Movie

They used a 707-300

Haha great film

Trevatanus

11,123 posts

150 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Oops.

surveyor

17,823 posts

184 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Trevatanus said:
Oops.
Awkward

aeropilot

34,599 posts

227 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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surveyor said:
Trevatanus said:
Oops.
Awkward
Similar situation to the Pan-Am 707 mixing up the wrong gasholders as navigation reference and landing (just) at RAF Northolt instead of on R23 at Heathrow......

V41LEY

Original Poster:

2,893 posts

238 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Who configures two runways like that so close together and in the same orientation.

captain_cynic

12,004 posts

95 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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V41LEY said:
Who configures two runways like that so close together and in the same orientation.
Iran... obviously.

I've never thought of theocratic despotism as being on the forefront of health and safety.

Trevatanus

11,123 posts

150 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Airlive.net now saying possibly wrong airfield, rather than just wrong runway.

aeropilot

34,599 posts

227 months

Friday 18th January 2019
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Trevatanus said:
Airlive.net now saying possibly wrong airfield, rather than just wrong runway.
Yes, you can clearly see in that image that they are seperate airfields, with a rocky hilly ridge line seperating them, but the flightpaths look almost in line with each other, so you could easily see where the confusion could occur...!!