Dale Jr jet crashes
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There does seem to be a disproportionate number of accidents involving private jets compared to regular commercial airliners or am I mistaken?
A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
numtumfutunch said:
There does seem to be a disproportionate number of accidents involving private jets compared to regular commercial airliners or am I mistaken?
A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
All other things being equal there shouldn't be a difference. After all the distinction between a private jet and an airliner can be just a matter of paperwork.A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
On the other hand the regulations can be looser, especially if it's a private aircraft rather than one used commercially as an air taxi. Also many (most) private and charter aircraft are run on a shoestring with a definite temptation to cut corners. So there are some dodgy practices in this business that no longer tend to happen in airlines in Western Europe or North America.
Not saying it happened in this case, but on a one off journey as opposed to a scheduled regular flight, there can be a grey area between cutting corners due to commercial pressure and providing a good service when it comes to continuing through bad weather and operating from short runways. Some wealthy passengers can be stroppy when the pilot they are paying to get them where they want to go says 'not in this weather'.
If it's a reputable firm, and you accept the pilots judgement, it's near enough as safe as an airliner.
Steviesam said:
Dont know actual numbers, but most people dont realise just how many private jets there are.
I always thought there were "just a few" kicking round, but no, airports are full of them and sooo many people use them.
There are between 40 to 60 on Farnborough airfield at any one time.I always thought there were "just a few" kicking round, but no, airports are full of them and sooo many people use them.
Dr Jekyll said:
On the other hand the regulations can be looser, especially if it's a private aircraft rather than one used commercially as an air taxi. Also many (most) private and charter aircraft are run on a shoestring with a definite temptation to cut corners. So there are some dodgy practices in this business that no longer tend to happen in airlines in Western Europe or North America.
Not saying it happened in this case, but on a one off journey as opposed to a scheduled regular flight, there can be a grey area between cutting corners due to commercial pressure and providing a good service when it comes to continuing through bad weather and operating from short runways. Some wealthy passengers can be stroppy when the pilot they are paying to get them where they want to go says 'not in this weather'.
If it's a reputable firm, and you accept the pilots judgement, it's near enough as safe as an airliner.
As is evident from the Sala crash. I find it incredible that you can pay £450 to hide the ownership & maintenance status of an aircraft by claiming it's registered in the US. I thought all aircraft based in the UK would have to be up to standard, but it seems not.Not saying it happened in this case, but on a one off journey as opposed to a scheduled regular flight, there can be a grey area between cutting corners due to commercial pressure and providing a good service when it comes to continuing through bad weather and operating from short runways. Some wealthy passengers can be stroppy when the pilot they are paying to get them where they want to go says 'not in this weather'.
If it's a reputable firm, and you accept the pilots judgement, it's near enough as safe as an airliner.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7363153/W...
If you can't afford to maintain it then don't own it.
Mr Pointy said:
As is evident from the Sala crash. I find it incredible that you can pay £450 to hide the ownership & maintenance status of an aircraft by claiming it's registered in the US. I thought all aircraft based in the UK would have to be up to standard, but it seems not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7363153/W...
If you can't afford to maintain it then don't own it.
They weren't 'claiming' it was registered in the US. It was registered in the US. An aircraft has to be US owned to be registered there so an intermediary is necessary, a perfectly normal and legitimate arrangement. Aircraft registered in the US do have to be up to standard to be flown legally, irrespective of where they are based.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7363153/W...
If you can't afford to maintain it then don't own it.
Claiming an aircraft is registered in the US when it isn't costs nothing. EG Graham Hill's Piper Aztec.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 16th August 11:04
numtumfutunch said:
There does seem to be a disproportionate number of accidents involving private jets compared to regular commercial airliners or am I mistaken?
A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
The rules are complex: it would depend on whether you hired the jet from a commercial supplier, in which case it is in effect a charter flight, were part of a fractional ownership arrangement, owned your own jet, or even flew your own jet. In terms of numbers, some of the data is here: https://aviation-safety.net/statistics/period/stat... - so roughly a quarter of the airliner number. In terms of flight hours, however, the data may well show a different pattern, not in favour of executive jets. That may be because they fly into more challenging environments, operate wihout neccesarily having an operational support structure, may be under significant commercial pressure, may push beyond the flight protections & legislation required of a public transport operator, or whatever.A question for those of you who are informed, what would be the objective risk in taking a private jet from the UK to mainland Europe compared to a charter flight?
I acknowledge the convenience of a private flight is significant.
Cheers
Initial report released, the pilots made a hard landing on a fairly short runway and tried for a go around but failed for some unknown reason to get back in the air so ended up trying to stop instead with <1000' remaining, they put the aircraft down hard and a couple of bounces broke the main gear and they slid off the runway. Very, very lucky.
red_slr said:
Initial report released, the pilots made a hard landing on a fairly short runway and tried for a go around but failed for some unknown reason to get back in the air so ended up trying to stop instead with <1000' remaining, they put the aircraft down hard and a couple of bounces broke the main gear and they slid off the runway. Very, very lucky.
What a clusterf
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