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TTmonkey said:
Russian weapon technology looks to be right up there with their ability to build luxury cars.
Does much if any of their major tech actually work? Or is it stuck in a time warp of 1980s level tech?
Their tanks are death traps. Their ships seem to have no self defence capability. Their missiles can hit hospitals and shopping centres but can they hit actual military targets? Their artillery needs hundreds of rounds to do damage and they have no precision guided rounds. Their MLRS seems to be an area weapon not a precision weapon, more like WW2 levels of rocket warfare than prescient like HIMARs.
Their cruise missiles seem to bump into high rise buildings on their way to their destination.
Their airforce remains largely absent, they don’t even have air superiority over their own ground. When one of their fighters targeted a NATO plane with missiles, fortunately they malfunctioned and fell into the sea (thank god).
It’s clear there are shipping in drones from other countries. They apparently lack night vision tech and are buying it in. They don’t have the equivalent of Javalin and NLAW and still seem to be using mostly un guided shoulder launched RPG type weapons against armour.
Their army is now dominated by non professional soldiers. Drunks and criminals.
They are a joke and are being humiliated, but they have far more resources than Ukraine. More lives to waste.
But they have numbers , huge numbers and lots of resources. They also don't value life as we do . I just watched the BBC report, two years since invasion. I deeply regret and utterly hate to say they will prevail in Ukraine. Nobody is stopping them . I remain dispondant and utterly depressed but the whole thing . We celebrate Ukraine success and we should but Russia keep coming.Does much if any of their major tech actually work? Or is it stuck in a time warp of 1980s level tech?
Their tanks are death traps. Their ships seem to have no self defence capability. Their missiles can hit hospitals and shopping centres but can they hit actual military targets? Their artillery needs hundreds of rounds to do damage and they have no precision guided rounds. Their MLRS seems to be an area weapon not a precision weapon, more like WW2 levels of rocket warfare than prescient like HIMARs.
Their cruise missiles seem to bump into high rise buildings on their way to their destination.
Their airforce remains largely absent, they don’t even have air superiority over their own ground. When one of their fighters targeted a NATO plane with missiles, fortunately they malfunctioned and fell into the sea (thank god).
It’s clear there are shipping in drones from other countries. They apparently lack night vision tech and are buying it in. They don’t have the equivalent of Javalin and NLAW and still seem to be using mostly un guided shoulder launched RPG type weapons against armour.
Their army is now dominated by non professional soldiers. Drunks and criminals.
They are a joke and are being humiliated, but they have far more resources than Ukraine. More lives to waste.
cliffords said:
But they have numbers , huge numbers and lots of resources. They also don't value life as we do . I just watched the BBC report, two years since invasion. I deeply regret and utterly hate to say they will prevail in Ukraine. Nobody is stopping them . I remain dispondant and utterly depressed but the whole thing . We celebrate Ukraine success and we should but Russia keep coming.
Totally agree. cliffords said:
But they have numbers , huge numbers and lots of resources. They also don't value life as we do . I just watched the BBC report, two years since invasion. I deeply regret and utterly hate to say they will prevail in Ukraine. Nobody is stopping them . I remain dispondant and utterly depressed but the whole thing . We celebrate Ukraine success and we should but Russia keep coming.
Where is it they are coming? They're coming at Avdiivka on the outskirts of Donetsk, as they have since the start of the war 2 years ago, suffering casualty rates of worse than 10:1 and losing dozens of armoured vehicles daily for on a good day gains of a few hundred yards, on a bad day no territorial advance at all. The russians can keep coming all they like if that's their best.hidetheelephants said:
cliffords said:
But they have numbers , huge numbers and lots of resources. They also don't value life as we do . I just watched the BBC report, two years since invasion. I deeply regret and utterly hate to say they will prevail in Ukraine. Nobody is stopping them . I remain dispondant and utterly depressed but the whole thing . We celebrate Ukraine success and we should but Russia keep coming.
Where is it they are coming? They're coming at Avdiivka on the outskirts of Donetsk, as they have since the start of the war 2 years ago, suffering casualty rates of worse than 10:1 and losing dozens of armoured vehicles daily for on a good day gains of a few hundred yards, on a bad day no territorial advance at all. The russians can keep coming all they like if that's their best.I think they will keep coming untill there are no Ukrainian defenders left , even if it does cost them 10:1. That's how they operate . Attrition.
skedaddle said:
Amusing the levels of disinformation on here thanks to MI6 and CIA. Back to carriers & the PoW, carriers today are vulnerable to multiple hypersonic missiles incoming simultaneously. Both China and Russia has this capability. The West is lagging in developing hypersonic missiles.
Hype missiles more like; we haven't developed them because they're of limited utility and they're exactly the white elephant boondoggle posters keep accusing these carriers of being.hidetheelephants said:
Hype missiles more like; we haven't developed them because they're of limited utility and they're exactly the white elephant boondoggle posters keep accusing these carriers of being.
How would a carrier group defend against even one missile incoming at mach 8? Multiply that problem with several incoming simultaneously and it's a very bad day.https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/13/europe/ukraine-...
skedaddle said:
Amusing the levels of disinformation on here thanks to MI6 and CIA. Back to carriers & the PoW, carriers today are vulnerable to multiple hypersonic missiles incoming simultaneously. Both China and Russia has this capability. The West is lagging in developing hypersonic missiles.
Hypersonic missiles are easily evaded since they can’t turn tightly.14 said:
Hypersonic missiles are easily evaded since they can’t turn tightly.
Good luck detecting an incoming attack in time to take evasive manoeuvres. Even if the missiles are detected in time, then they are designed to be maneuverable and will only need a slight adjustment to hit a slow moving target like a carrier.hidetheelephants said:
The means of defending are already in service; Aster missiles can shoot them down, the only difference is the smaller time available for a targeting solution. The US Standard missiles also have capability.
You're not serious if you think Aster missiles can shoot mach 8 missiles down. Thankfully Russia and China have no intention of making an unprovoked attack on NATO despite Western propaganda to the contrary.For anyone wanting to understand what's really going on in geopolitics/Ukraine/Israel, Judge Napolitano on youtube is good to follow. He talks to experts who are not beholden to the CIA/MI6/Israel lobby unlike western mainstream media.
skedaddle said:
14 said:
Hypersonic missiles are easily evaded since they can’t turn tightly.
Good luck detecting an incoming attack in time to take evasive manoeuvres. Even if the missiles are detected in time, then they are designed to be maneuverable and will only need a slight adjustment to hit a slow moving target like a carrier.I think they make sense as nukes, but they're not going to be taking out ships unless it's a Type 45 at anchor in the Gulf. Really to take out a battlegroup you need overwhelming numbers of missiles so the defence is exhausted through attrition. I don't know if the USN have ever live-fired ship defences against dummy missiles to see what it takes to get through. It would be a good test.
skedaddle said:
ou're not serious if you think Aster missiles can shoot mach 8 missiles down. Thankfully Russia and China have no intention of making an unprovoked attack on NATO despite Western propaganda to the contrary.
For anyone wanting to understand what's really going on in geopolitics/Ukraine/Israel, Judge Napolitano on youtube is good to follow. He talks to experts who are not beholden to the CIA/MI6/Israel lobby unlike western mainstream media.
An interceptor missile does not need to travel at the same speed as the attacking missile, but carry on believing otherwise.For anyone wanting to understand what's really going on in geopolitics/Ukraine/Israel, Judge Napolitano on youtube is good to follow. He talks to experts who are not beholden to the CIA/MI6/Israel lobby unlike western mainstream media.
skedaddle said:
For anyone wanting to understand what's really going on in geopolitics/Ukraine/Israel, Judge Napolitano on youtube is good to follow. He talks to experts who are not beholden to the CIA/MI6/Israel lobby unlike western mainstream media.
Well that's me convinced. Let me get straight onto that perfect channel. 
skedaddle said:
Amusing the levels of disinformation on here thanks to MI6 and CIA. Back to carriers & the PoW, carriers today are vulnerable to multiple hypersonic missiles incoming simultaneously. Both China and Russia has this capability. The West is lagging in developing hypersonic missiles.
Amusing that you think that MI6 and CIA would use a small motoring forum to push disinformation.Also hypersonic missiles are not the wonderwaffen that Russian propaganda would like you to think they are.
aeropilot said:
skedaddle said:
Thankfully Russia and China have no intention of making an unprovoked attack on NATO despite Western propaganda to the contrary.
This thread is full of people rubbishing Russia's military capability, which is a bit stupid really, because one should always be level headed and realistic. The old adage is true - dismiss your opponent at your peril.
Anyway, I personally think these two carriers are "white elephants", they are simply very large targets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfJRP34hns8
andyA700 said:
aeropilot said:
skedaddle said:
Thankfully Russia and China have no intention of making an unprovoked attack on NATO despite Western propaganda to the contrary.
This thread is full of people rubbishing Russia's military capability, which is a bit stupid really, because one should always be level headed and realistic. The old adage is true - dismiss your opponent at your peril.
You are agreeing with him and then contradict it with your last statement.
My
was for the fact that the poster was certain that Russia or China have no intention of making an unprovoked attack on NATO (which would be true of China given what the NA bit of NATO means) but dismissing out of hand that Russia won't is foolhardy to say the least, and your last statement is indeed the correct one.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff