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croyde said:
djc206 said:
FL370 to FL100 in 11 minutes would be a perfectly normal rate of descent at ~2500fpm although loss of cabin pressure is no joke and the whole masks falling from the ceiling must have been quite concerning.
Working in aviation it’s easy not to worry about these things because I’ve seen dozens of them and they are invariably handled well by crews who are trained to deal with them.
I think the really worrying thing with his story is the fact that the cabin crew were screaming Working in aviation it’s easy not to worry about these things because I’ve seen dozens of them and they are invariably handled well by crews who are trained to deal with them.
I always watch the crew when things get dicey and am always assured by their calm demeanor.
I presume they are trained to act that way even if things are going to pot.
I was in bad turbulence in an airliner that was coming into London when it hit a thunderstorm.
The pilot had announced that we'd be on the ground in 20 minutes. 20 minutes later we were still up in the air being jolted around and no further word from the pilots.
The cabin crew were strapped in and very tight lipped.
I just felt that as the pilots were no longer talking they must of been covered in sweat fighting with the controls.
Maybe they should have a camera in the cabin that we could watch, or maybe that's a bad idea.
We have a video feed in the flight deck with views into the galley and cabin, to check it’s secure behind the door, it’s an old pilot joke to put a black and white photo on an iPad of the toilet (photoshopped with all the touch screen controls on it) and place it over the display and at night when cabin crew come in to the flight deck and see it they think we have a toilet cam. A southwest flight attendant even sued the airline over an incident like this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/us/southwest-pi...
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 28th February 09:46
El stovey said:
. There was also a fake monkey hand incident where the camera only showed a limited section of the flightdeck, so the first officer used a fancy dress costume monkey arm to pretend a monkey landed the plane and the captain fed him a banana after landing, this might be an urban legend.
We have a video feed in the flight deck with views into the galley and cabin, to check it’s secure behind the door, it’s an old pilot joke to put a black and white photo on an iPad of the toilet (photoshopped with all the touch screen controls on it) and place it over the display and at night when cabin crew come in to the flight deck and see it they think we have a toilet cam. A southwest flight attendant even sued the airline over an incident like this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/us/southwest-pi...
sounds like an excellent ruse to break the monotony/boredom of a long haul flight for the crew. even professionals doing a very serious and safety-centric job should have the opportunity of a few giggles to lighten the load. takes a person with a serious sense of humour failure to try and sue over that.We have a video feed in the flight deck with views into the galley and cabin, to check it’s secure behind the door, it’s an old pilot joke to put a black and white photo on an iPad of the toilet (photoshopped with all the touch screen controls on it) and place it over the display and at night when cabin crew come in to the flight deck and see it they think we have a toilet cam. A southwest flight attendant even sued the airline over an incident like this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/us/southwest-pi...
Edited by El stovey on Friday 28th February 09:46
seawise said:
sounds like an excellent ruse to break the monotony/boredom of a long haul flight for the crew. even professionals doing a very serious and safety-centric job should have the opportunity of a few giggles to lighten the load. takes a person with a serious sense of humour failure to try and sue over that.
Or someone looking for an easy pay day.Guy sat in front of me on a flight from Belfast to Palma coped with the turbulence by drinking a lot and eventually started singing.
A flight attendant came over to remind him that it was an offence to be drunk on an aeroplane.
He responded; "Well love, you're the one who's been staggering 'round the plane all flight."
To be fair, his antics kept my mind off the bumpy flight.
A flight attendant came over to remind him that it was an offence to be drunk on an aeroplane.
He responded; "Well love, you're the one who's been staggering 'round the plane all flight."
To be fair, his antics kept my mind off the bumpy flight.
Its not the bumpy bits that bother me, its the freefall feeling you get occasionally.
Was quite bumpy the other day on the way back from JFK, enough for my wife to bring her lunch up
I find it reminds me I am a long way up, going very fast which takes my mind off the Skymap and watching the miles count down, get the same feeling when stood having a pee, 30 odd thousand feet and I stood peeing, blows my mind.
Worst one was going to Vegas, was very hot there and the heat rising from the desert and mountains was causing severe turbulence, the landing was alarming as well, felt like we were crashing, seemed really lop sided, lots of screaming and the overhead bins falling open, difficult to tell from the back whats going on.
I am largely comfortable with flying but always start thinking about what if the plane did have an issue having seen too many Air Crash Investigations, my dads mate at work got killed in the Tenerife crash where the Dan Air 727 piled into a mountain, really freaked me out as a 9 year old hearing that, also always wondered whether they had any idea or when you hit a mountain at 400 mph you probably dont have time to register, one second alive and well, next you are a selection of fragments decorating the rockface.
Was quite bumpy the other day on the way back from JFK, enough for my wife to bring her lunch up
I find it reminds me I am a long way up, going very fast which takes my mind off the Skymap and watching the miles count down, get the same feeling when stood having a pee, 30 odd thousand feet and I stood peeing, blows my mind.
Worst one was going to Vegas, was very hot there and the heat rising from the desert and mountains was causing severe turbulence, the landing was alarming as well, felt like we were crashing, seemed really lop sided, lots of screaming and the overhead bins falling open, difficult to tell from the back whats going on.
I am largely comfortable with flying but always start thinking about what if the plane did have an issue having seen too many Air Crash Investigations, my dads mate at work got killed in the Tenerife crash where the Dan Air 727 piled into a mountain, really freaked me out as a 9 year old hearing that, also always wondered whether they had any idea or when you hit a mountain at 400 mph you probably dont have time to register, one second alive and well, next you are a selection of fragments decorating the rockface.
I fly a fair bit for work (usually 4-6 transatlantics a month), and every now and again a big drop will get the adrenaline flowing a little.
The persistent bumpiness doesn't usually bother me much, no matter how violent. Coming into Nashville early on a little 2+2 Spirit plane from NOLA recently we were stuck in pretty violent turbulence for about 30min while we attempted and aborted twice. Cue the rustling of paper bags and the noise of vomiting in surround sound...
The persistent bumpiness doesn't usually bother me much, no matter how violent. Coming into Nashville early on a little 2+2 Spirit plane from NOLA recently we were stuck in pretty violent turbulence for about 30min while we attempted and aborted twice. Cue the rustling of paper bags and the noise of vomiting in surround sound...
GT03ROB said:
In all the flights I've done never really encountered too bad turbulence. A few flights back however I was sure we were about to hit something bad when the pilot put on the seatbelt lights, then came over the comms & asked the crew to take their seats as he anticipated bad turbulence. It was all bit of an anticlimax as other than a few little bumps it was normal!
I found it a little concerning when shortly after take off, after the cabin crew had been released, the pilot came on the PA "Crew take your seats immediately". No real turbulence, although there was some lightning dotted about.I've seen some of the big drops crossing the Atlantic, but they do not bother me as much as being tossed around the back of a prop job on approach.
Still it's all an experience.
I used to fly a lot for work, mainly to/from the UK and various US states.
I've had my fair share of turbulent flights, including one internal US flight on a little puddle jumper that hit a downburst and I saw everybody's drinks simultaneously deposit themselves over the ceiling. We were all wearing seatbelts thankfully, but that was a particularly rough moment. Thought my stomach was going to come out of my nose. I also remember flying in just after a hurricane and having to go around twice, in particularly inclement weather.
Strangely, the flight that was most memorable was an EasyJet flight from London to Madrid, a holiday to visit some friends. The pilots came over the radio saying "sorry folks, looks like a turbulent flight, we'll do our best and of course we'll keep you safe". The flight was actually one of the smoothest flights I've been on, but the woman sat next to me who yelped any time someone walked past didn't help much.
On a positive note with turbulence, I remember taking a gentle turn somewhere over the USA when we were hit with a bit of clean-air turbulence. The nearest hostie was stood next to my seat and she missed her footing on her heels, and ended up tumbling directly into my lap. The turbulence continued for about 20-30 seconds, she wasn't going anywhere, I didn't quite know what to do when I literally had a rather attractive woman fall into my arms, so we awkwardly sat there for half a minute before she excused herself, got up, and hastily moved on. Good flight, all being said.
I've had my fair share of turbulent flights, including one internal US flight on a little puddle jumper that hit a downburst and I saw everybody's drinks simultaneously deposit themselves over the ceiling. We were all wearing seatbelts thankfully, but that was a particularly rough moment. Thought my stomach was going to come out of my nose. I also remember flying in just after a hurricane and having to go around twice, in particularly inclement weather.
Strangely, the flight that was most memorable was an EasyJet flight from London to Madrid, a holiday to visit some friends. The pilots came over the radio saying "sorry folks, looks like a turbulent flight, we'll do our best and of course we'll keep you safe". The flight was actually one of the smoothest flights I've been on, but the woman sat next to me who yelped any time someone walked past didn't help much.
On a positive note with turbulence, I remember taking a gentle turn somewhere over the USA when we were hit with a bit of clean-air turbulence. The nearest hostie was stood next to my seat and she missed her footing on her heels, and ended up tumbling directly into my lap. The turbulence continued for about 20-30 seconds, she wasn't going anywhere, I didn't quite know what to do when I literally had a rather attractive woman fall into my arms, so we awkwardly sat there for half a minute before she excused herself, got up, and hastily moved on. Good flight, all being said.
When the plane has it's seat belt light switched on, I always look for the flight attendants to see whether or not they're sitting down. 9 times out of 10 they're still walking around helping passengers still serving drinks which always reassures me that the turbulence can't be that bad.
I had a pretty rough flight back from New York the other year where the Captain told everyone to get back to their seats including attendants. Unfortunately I was at the back of the plane and my girlfriend was freaking out. I turned to the flight attendant who was casually eating his dinner not bothered about it one single bit.
My worst flight was flying back from Cyprus. We were flying over the Alps at the time and the seat belt light starts binging rapidly. I see all the attendants run back to their seats and one comes over the intercom and the plane suddenly drops. A nervous passenger runs to the toilet and a stewardess shouts out "For got sake, get back to your seat!!".
When I'm feeling anxious about turbulence I find it relaxing to look out of the window to see what's going on outside.
I had a pretty rough flight back from New York the other year where the Captain told everyone to get back to their seats including attendants. Unfortunately I was at the back of the plane and my girlfriend was freaking out. I turned to the flight attendant who was casually eating his dinner not bothered about it one single bit.
My worst flight was flying back from Cyprus. We were flying over the Alps at the time and the seat belt light starts binging rapidly. I see all the attendants run back to their seats and one comes over the intercom and the plane suddenly drops. A nervous passenger runs to the toilet and a stewardess shouts out "For got sake, get back to your seat!!".
When I'm feeling anxious about turbulence I find it relaxing to look out of the window to see what's going on outside.
My worst flight was flying back from Cyprus. We were flying over the Alps at the time and the seat belt light starts binging rapidly. I see all the attendants run back to their seats and one comes over the intercom and the plane suddenly drops. A nervous passenger runs to the toilet and a stewardess shouts out "For God sake, get back to your seat!!".
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Not turbulence, but on a flight from Dallas TX to San Francisco CA nearly 40 years ago, we were on final approach, seat belt light on, we’d had the notice about tray tables etc., when my friend unbuckled and headed for the can, F.A. called to him, “Return to your seat sir.”
Without stopping, he said, “I really gotta go.”
She said, “It could be the last time that you do go sir.”
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Not turbulence, but on a flight from Dallas TX to San Francisco CA nearly 40 years ago, we were on final approach, seat belt light on, we’d had the notice about tray tables etc., when my friend unbuckled and headed for the can, F.A. called to him, “Return to your seat sir.”
Without stopping, he said, “I really gotta go.”
She said, “It could be the last time that you do go sir.”
J4CKO said:
the Tenerife crash where the Dan Air 727 piled into a mountain, really freaked me out as a 9 year old hearing that, also always wondered whether they had any idea or when you hit a mountain at 400 mph you probably dont have time to register, one second alive and well, next you are a selection of fragments decorating the rockface.
Just did some very rough calcs as I was intrigued and this sort of thing terrifies me more than anything else with regards to air travel, I accept I could die, but it's the terror and suffering I don't want to endure in such an event, I'd rather not know anything about it should we crash.A 727 is ~40M long.
400mph = ~180M/S
So even if you were sat in the very back row of the aircraft, at 400mph, it would only take ~0.2 seconds for your seat to be at the mountain face, which is f
king terrifying in itself, but likely you wouldn't know much about it. I dread to think of how that kind of head on impact would look in terms of crumpling and how much of the aircraft would be left after such an impact, I don't particularly want to search for images of that crash knowing your Dad lost a friend.
darreni said:
I've managed to secure a place on a two day fear of flying course run by a local airline. Day two will involve a flight.
I'm hoping this will help get me back flying after a 2 year break due to fear of turbulence, it's in 2 weeks(!), i'll report back once i'm done.
I'll be interested in how you got on please I'm hoping this will help get me back flying after a 2 year break due to fear of turbulence, it's in 2 weeks(!), i'll report back once i'm done.
Good luck with it! Gary29 said:
J4CKO said:
the Tenerife crash where the Dan Air 727 piled into a mountain, really freaked me out as a 9 year old hearing that, also always wondered whether they had any idea or when you hit a mountain at 400 mph you probably dont have time to register, one second alive and well, next you are a selection of fragments decorating the rockface.
Just did some very rough calcs as I was intrigued and this sort of thing terrifies me more than anything else with regards to air travel, I accept I could die, but it's the terror and suffering I don't want to endure in such an event, I'd rather not know anything about it should we crash.A 727 is ~40M long.
400mph = ~180M/S
So even if you were sat in the very back row of the aircraft, at 400mph, it would only take ~0.2 seconds for your seat to be at the mountain face, which is f
king terrifying in itself, but likely you wouldn't know much about it. I dread to think of how that kind of head on impact would look in terms of crumpling and how much of the aircraft would be left after such an impact, I don't particularly want to search for images of that crash knowing your Dad lost a friend.
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