Which boat for next summer?
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Hmmmmm
Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
Thankyou4calling said:
Hmmmmm
Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
And that one is another scam as the boat pictures are of an American flagged vessel and it's registered in Palm Harbour, Florida!Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
If you're serious about Bayliners then best to contact a known brokerage with one for sale in the UK such as this one.
https://motorboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/bayliner-...
pequod said:
Thankyou4calling said:
Hmmmmm
Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
And that one is another scam as the boat pictures are of an American flagged vessel and it's registered in Palm Harbour, Florida!Still. Plenty of other options around that price. This is a 2455, a metre shorter but still a good size.
I’d say the vast majority of used boats will need something done to them. Whether that something stops it being enjoyable to use or stops it being used is the thing. A boat can take up a LOT of time just in tinkering. Be aware! That’s why I’d aim to keep the boat on the water to maximise use of boating time as opposed to prepping and launching time which I accept for some is all part of it.
https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Cruiser/baylin...
If you're serious about Bayliners then best to contact a known brokerage with one for sale in the UK such as this one.
https://motorboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/bayliner-...
I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
If I can find one at the right money I may buy one. I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Louis Balfour said:
I am at Burton Waters Marina as I type. We’ve just had a look over a Merry Fisher 695 and a Bayliner Ciera 8.
I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
If I can find one at the right money I may buy one. I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Well done for getting to see both in the flesh as it's very much down to your own personal preferences and which will suit your needs. Good healthy budget will help find a nice one and this 2017 model at Brighton would be worth a look over and is fitted with a bowthruster (an expensive option) which can make life a lot easier when trying to get it on a trailer or marina berth in any sort of crosswind. Incidentally, all up I believe you will be looking at 2.5 tonnes towing weight so it will need a decent 4x4 car to handle it.I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
If I can find one at the right money I may buy one. I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Although the asking price is above your max I would expect an offer of £45k to secure this one!
https://www.theyachtmarket.com/en/boat-for-sale/19...
pequod said:
Louis Balfour said:
I am at Burton Waters Marina as I type. We’ve just had a look over a Merry Fisher 695 and a Bayliner Ciera 8.
I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
If I can find one at the right money I may buy one. I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Well done for getting to see both in the flesh as it's very much down to your own personal preferences and which will suit your needs. Good healthy budget will help find a nice one and this 2017 model at Brighton would be worth a look over and is fitted with a bowthruster (an expensive option) which can make life a lot easier when trying to get it on a trailer or marina berth in any sort of crosswind. Incidentally, all up I believe you will be looking at 2.5 tonnes towing weight so it will need a decent 4x4 car to handle it.I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
If I can find one at the right money I may buy one. I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Although the asking price is above your max I would expect an offer of £45k to secure this one!
https://www.theyachtmarket.com/en/boat-for-sale/19...
Low hours though.
I wonder what it’s story is.
Louis Balfour said:
I am looking at it on my phone. It looks like a bare boat, no plotter etc.
Low hours though.
I wonder what it’s story is.
It's got a Garmin plotter, vhf, and the bowthruster, plus other bits and bobs (rod holders!!Low hours though.
I wonder what it’s story is.
) but it's not overly equipped however that's not a bad thing IMO.Worth a call to the Broker to ask what the history is but I imagine it's a genuine boat that has only been lightly used? It might be strange but there are many folk who live aboard their boats in Brighton marina and travel up to town on the train, but seldom use their boat for seagoing trips., but is considered a more cost effective and nicer accommodation alternative to a grotty flat.
Don't forget a survey, just in case it has been grounded or crashed/repaired and a recent engine service although those Yams are pretty bulletproof.
pequod said:
Louis Balfour said:
I am looking at it on my phone. It looks like a bare boat, no plotter etc.
Low hours though.
I wonder what it’s story is.
It's got a Garmin plotter, vhf, and the bowthruster, plus other bits and bobs (rod holders!!Low hours though.
I wonder what it’s story is.
) but it's not overly equipped however that's not a bad thing IMO.Worth a call to the Broker to ask what the history is but I imagine it's a genuine boat that has only been lightly used? It might be strange but there are many folk who live aboard their boats in Brighton marina and travel up to town on the train, but seldom use their boat for seagoing trips., but is considered a more cost effective and nicer accommodation alternative to a grotty flat.
Don't forget a survey, just in case it has been grounded or crashed/repaired and a recent engine service although those Yams are pretty bulletproof.
I've messaged the broker.
Edited to add: Do people really use something that small as an overnight stay in Brighton?
Louis Balfour said:
Were I to buy it, it would be massively faster than intended.
A survey is what? £15 per foot? It looks to be out the water already so no lifting fees.
You are new to boat buying ... sometimes it takes years to find 'the' good yacht in the make/model/budget of one's choice but, given you want something for next year, these boats don't come to market all the time. Do you want to wait until April 21?A survey is what? £15 per foot? It looks to be out the water already so no lifting fees.
Surveyor fees are in that range, yes, and make sure your offer is 'subject to survey and sea trial' as there are no comebacks or warranty once you pay the money even when buying through a broker.
Louis Balfour said:
I am at Burton Waters Marina as I type. We’ve just had a look over a Merry Fisher 695 and a Bayliner Ciera 8. I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
I was going to suggest you need to get out and start looking at boats. The internet can only get you so far. The more boats you look at, the better you'll know what you want and what to look for/avoid. Even the smell can tell you something about it.Louis Balfour said:
Ideally I would spend £25k...
Louis Balfour said:
I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Welcome to boats.Simpo Two said:
Louis Balfour said:
I am at Burton Waters Marina as I type. We’ve just had a look over a Merry Fisher 695 and a Bayliner Ciera 8. I understand why an knowledgeable boat owner would buy the MF. I like that you can just close the patio doors and leave it.
I was going to suggest you need to get out and start looking at boats. The internet can only get you so far. The more boats you look at, the better you'll know what you want and what to look for/avoid. Even the smell can tell you something about it.Louis Balfour said:
Ideally I would spend £25k...
Louis Balfour said:
I would hope to get a decent one for £40-£45k.
Welcome to boats.You know when you get the feeling that you're about to mug yourself? Asking a redhead on a date, agreeing to join in a drinking game or lending someone a value possession?
Louis Balfour said:
You know when you get the feeling that you're about to mug yourself? Asking a redhead on a date, agreeing to join in a drinking game or lending someone a value possession?
Mm, I'd say it's the feeling you get when you're about to buy yourself a very big shiny new toy! I was congratulating you for spending twice as much Not a great time of year to be starting your maritime career of course but you'll certainly be looking forward to spring... Boats make you very aware of weather and seasons.
In normal times at this time of year with Christmas etc looming people are looking to get rid of 'summer stuff' & you will often get stuff at low prices.
Not nice, but the pandemic might help you as people are looking at reducing their financial outgoings so might take a silly low offer.
Leave it until next year when the weather starts to pick up & people are looking for boats/caravans etc deals aren't that easy as the world & his wife are shopping.
I've noticed this in the caravan trade - I do a lot of bodywork for a dealer & we've discussed this at some length.
Lots of first time buyers since March/April who are looking to staycation due to the pandemic.
Consequently no part exes & a shortage of the good stuff.
Plus due to shutdowns a shortage of brand new vans so some dealers have little stock on very large pitches!
Not nice, but the pandemic might help you as people are looking at reducing their financial outgoings so might take a silly low offer.
Leave it until next year when the weather starts to pick up & people are looking for boats/caravans etc deals aren't that easy as the world & his wife are shopping.
I've noticed this in the caravan trade - I do a lot of bodywork for a dealer & we've discussed this at some length.
Lots of first time buyers since March/April who are looking to staycation due to the pandemic.
Consequently no part exes & a shortage of the good stuff.
Plus due to shutdowns a shortage of brand new vans so some dealers have little stock on very large pitches!
pequod said:
Well done for getting to see both in the flesh as it's very much down to your own personal preferences and which will suit your needs. Good healthy budget will help find a nice one and this 2017 model at Brighton would be worth a look over and is fitted with a bowthruster (an expensive option) which can make life a lot easier when trying to get it on a trailer or marina berth in any sort of crosswind. Incidentally, all up I believe you will be looking at 2.5 tonnes towing weight so it will need a decent 4x4 car to handle it.
Although the asking price is above your max I would expect an offer of £45k to secure this one!
https://www.theyachtmarket.com/en/boat-for-sale/19...
I am going to go and have a look at the 695 above later this week. It has done 38 hours.Although the asking price is above your max I would expect an offer of £45k to secure this one!
https://www.theyachtmarket.com/en/boat-for-sale/19...
The broker said that it is virtually unused, but has sent me snaps (at my request) of any dings, marks or blemished. It has bits and bobs like this:
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|https://thumbsnap.com/UXQ5UxWf[/url]There are a few more odds and sods like that.
Basically the ad on Yachtmarket appears to use photos of the boat when new. It is now on the water.
If I drove a car that had done 38 hours it would probably look new. Are boats more fragile / more likely to pick up dings than cars?
Louis Balfour said:
If I drove a car that had done 38 hours it would probably look new. Are boats more fragile / more likely to pick up dings than cars?
Yes. One touch of the hull on a landing stage and the gelcoat will be marked or scratched. Keeping it perfect below the gunwales is not going to happen! If you want perfect, you'll have to buy new - and scratch it yourself 
Simpo Two said:
Louis Balfour said:
If I drove a car that had done 38 hours it would probably look new. Are boats more fragile / more likely to pick up dings than cars?
Yes. One touch of the hull on a landing stage and the gelcoat will be marked or scratched. Keeping it perfect below the gunwales is not going to happen! If you want perfect, you'll have to buy new - and scratch it yourself I am hopefully going to see a 795 too.
Don't equate the low engine hours with it being unmarked as it could have left and returned to the mooring after an hour or two of motoring and that it is when boats incur a few bumps, particularly in inexperienced hands.
Damage to upholstery and internal woodwork is down to carelessness and whilst annoying, is sometimes inevitable but only you can decide if they are something you can live with or have repaired/replaced.
As a beginner you will be very, very lucky if you don't add a few more scars during your ownership!;)
Damage to upholstery and internal woodwork is down to carelessness and whilst annoying, is sometimes inevitable but only you can decide if they are something you can live with or have repaired/replaced.
As a beginner you will be very, very lucky if you don't add a few more scars during your ownership!;)
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