Would you fly on a 737 Max?
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Saw that this morning.
...and in the context of corporate America, where suing someone is almost as common as saying 'hello', it makes perfect sense - the Board had become too arrogant, and it cost the shareholders. That Muilenberg still got to keep his $60 million (!) retirement package after what he'd done is literally adding insult to injury...
...and in the context of corporate America, where suing someone is almost as common as saying 'hello', it makes perfect sense - the Board had become too arrogant, and it cost the shareholders. That Muilenberg still got to keep his $60 million (!) retirement package after what he'd done is literally adding insult to injury...
Going back to the original question, I'd be shocked if it crossed the minds of more than 1% of people boarding the average Tui flight to Majorca or wherever.
We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
ch37 said:
Going back to the original question, I'd be shocked if it crossed the minds of more than 1% of people boarding the average Tui flight to Majorca or wherever.
We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
Assume you have phrased that incorrectly as an 800 isn’t a Max so there is nothing to realise!We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
ch37 said:
Going back to the original question, I'd be shocked if it crossed the minds of more than 1% of people boarding the average Tui flight to Majorca or wherever.
We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
How were they “trying to hide the fact”? We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
Tui website shows they have 737 800s and 737 max 8
I went on a TUI max 8 recently and there was absolutely no attempt to hide it at all.
It was staring me in the face on the safety card in the seatback pocket.
ch37 said:
Going back to the original question, I'd be shocked if it crossed the minds of more than 1% of people boarding the average Tui flight to Majorca or wherever.
We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
Most people don't actually care about stuff like this, or don't think, or both. "Yesterday's news is today's chip wrapper"We've just been away with Tui, the plane designation on our check-in app had an odd code, which I assumed meant it was a Max and they were trying to hide the fact. t turned out to be a 737-800 but I doubt anyone would have looked at the plane whilst stood on the tarmac at Bournemouth, realised it was a Max and then turned back.
They just expect things to happen, and then get upset or angry when there's a problem. In the case of 2 737-MAX flights, that attitude wouldn't have worked.
A grand jury has indicted Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the 737 MAX launch for defrauding the FAA
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
Byker28i said:
A grand jury has indicted Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the 737 MAX launch for defrauding the FAA
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
Doesn't sound unreasonable.https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
...but I wonder who else was in on it? Unless you're a massively arrogant f
k, surely you wouldn't do that without some sort of instructions or consent from on-high...havoc said:
Byker28i said:
A grand jury has indicted Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the 737 MAX launch for defrauding the FAA
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
Doesn't sound unreasonable.https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
...but I wonder who else was in on it? Unless you're a massively arrogant f
k, surely you wouldn't do that without some sort of instructions or consent from on-high...ked up in some stty American hellhole prison. Or……..
Let’s do a deal, here’s an offer of immunity if you tell us who higher up actually knew about these issues.
MB140 said:
havoc said:
CTP most certainly isn't a low-level position, but yeah, I agree with the principle.
Sorry poorly worded. Whilst a chief test pilot is not low level in the terms of pilot, I’m terms of the Boeing management/board he’s a nobody. havoc said:
Byker28i said:
A grand jury has indicted Boeing’s chief technical pilot on the 737 MAX launch for defrauding the FAA
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
Doesn't sound unreasonable.https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-m...
...but I wonder who else was in on it? Unless you're a massively arrogant f
k, surely you wouldn't do that without some sort of instructions or consent from on-high...Boeing threatens to cancel Boeing 737 MAX 10 aircraft unless given exemption from safety requirements
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/boeing-threa...
Basically if they don't certify the new 737 MAX 10 before the end of the year, they'll have to incorporate new requirements that come into effect from 2023. This involves both more cost/engineering and extra training for pilots, defeating the point of it being "just another 737".
CEO talking about risks to the business like they haven't learned anything.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/boeing-threa...
Basically if they don't certify the new 737 MAX 10 before the end of the year, they'll have to incorporate new requirements that come into effect from 2023. This involves both more cost/engineering and extra training for pilots, defeating the point of it being "just another 737".
CEO talking about risks to the business like they haven't learned anything.
Hill92 said:
Boeing threatens to cancel Boeing 737 MAX 10 aircraft unless given exemption from safety requirements
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/boeing-threa...
Basically if they don't certify the new 737 MAX 10 before the end of the year, they'll have to incorporate new requirements that come into effect from 2023. This involves both more cost/engineering and extra training for pilots, defeating the point of it being "just another 737".
CEO talking about risks to the business like they haven't learned anything.
They wouldn't have ever needed a full type certification process for the Max8 but they really did need to implement a program of pilot training on the new systems that included handling failures of MCAS. The mentality within Boeing to market the Max as an aircraft that needed no pilot familiarisation was the problem and that is where they were irresponsible, both corporately and morally.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/boeing-threa...
Basically if they don't certify the new 737 MAX 10 before the end of the year, they'll have to incorporate new requirements that come into effect from 2023. This involves both more cost/engineering and extra training for pilots, defeating the point of it being "just another 737".
CEO talking about risks to the business like they haven't learned anything.
The stain won't last long, stigmas only remain with those who have an interest. The DC10 had an awful reputation in the seventies but they went on to become statistically very safe and cost effective for many years. There is no reason why the Max cannot now do the same.
Richie Slow said:
They wouldn't have ever needed a full type certification process for the Max8 but they really did need to implement a program of pilot training on the new systems that included handling failures of MCAS. The mentality within Boeing to market the Max as an aircraft that needed no pilot familiarisation was the problem and that is where they were irresponsible, both corporately and morally.
The stain won't last long, stigmas only remain with those who have an interest. The DC10 had an awful reputation in the seventies but they went on to become statistically very safe and cost effective for many years. There is no reason why the Max cannot now do the same.
People have short memories.The stain won't last long, stigmas only remain with those who have an interest. The DC10 had an awful reputation in the seventies but they went on to become statistically very safe and cost effective for many years. There is no reason why the Max cannot now do the same.
But with the Chinese wanting a slice of the market boeings position should have been to push the "prized safety and security" for all it's worth and for all it costs against the "they're a bit dodge y',know".
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