Would you fly on a 737 Max?
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u-boat said:
Speed 3 said:
Decompression was so fierce it blew the ballistic cockpit door open 
Isn’t it supposed to do that to equalise pressure? If the depressurisation is in the cabin the flight deck door opens but if it’s in the flightdeck then I think a depressurisation panel in the door itself opens.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67984035
This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
s1962a said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67984035
This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
This won't achieve that. Quality inspections are one of the least effective measures and belong to the older concept of 'quality control' rather than 'quality assurance'. The quality culture at Boeing seems fundamentally rotten and needs fundamental change.This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
AnotherClarkey said:
s1962a said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67984035
This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
This won't achieve that. Quality inspections are one of the least effective measures and belong to the older concept of 'quality control' rather than 'quality assurance'. The quality culture at Boeing seems fundamentally rotten and needs fundamental change.This is a good start. Hopefully they can get Boeings quality control back to a safe level.
This is akin to British Leyland's repeated attempts to lift its 'build' quality ('reduce the number of quality escapes', as Dave Calhoun would probably put it) by upping end-of-line inspections and rectification and making training videos urging line workers to build the cars better.
Then they teamed up with Honda, which had long ago realised that inspections and rectifications were closing the door after the horse had bolted, especially if you didn't properly follow up why the fault got through and why it needed rectifying. Honda 'designed for quality' from the very start of a car model's life cycle and at every level. They didn't make quality resting just on line workers doing everything with 100% accuracy every time and inspections catching any defects that slipped through. They engineered both their designs and their process to foster and achieve consistent quality.
By the time they partnered with BL Honda factories in Japan didn't even have a rectification department and the quality control was multi-stage assurance through constant evaluation and feedback rather than a check of the completed product.
Narcisus said:
Flew on one this afternoon was I worried ? Not in the slightest.
I’ll also be flying home on one. Nervous ? Nope.
Wake me when you get on an old chartered TU-134 that has been maintained by the lowest bidder. I’ll also be flying home on one. Nervous ? Nope.
I'm certain EASA and CAA will ground the Max before it gets too bad.
Narcisus said:
captain_cynic said:
Wake me when you get on an old chartered TU-134 that has been maintained by the lowest bidder.
I'm certain EASA and CAA will ground the Max before it gets too bad.
I said it didn't bother me ? I would love to fly on a TU-134 !!I'm certain EASA and CAA will ground the Max before it gets too bad.
Not sure there are many old Tupolevs still flying. This was back in 2006 where it was cheaper to hire a plane than transport people 600 KM over land thrpugh inner mongolia. The take off form the dirt landing strip was the most interesting part... Also the only server room I e been in that required a heater (at the site, not on the plane)
I think there will be another serious Max incident but statistically unlikely to happen on my flight and I mentioned my flair to the fatalistic.
I wouldn't be surprised to find an increase in head injuries... I'm not an NBA basketballer and I hit my head on the lockers in a Max.
Seems all 737 max aircraft may now have an issue with the CFM LEAP engine.
Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
MB140 said:
Seems all 737 max aircraft may now have an issue with the CFM LEAP engine.
Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
As I read it, that applies to the new certification for the Max 7 & Max 10 variants, not those already flying. Not good for Boeing, but not an issue for those already in operation.Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
MarkwG said:
MB140 said:
Seems all 737 max aircraft may now have an issue with the CFM LEAP engine.
Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
As I read it, that applies to the new certification for the Max 7 & Max 10 variants, not those already flying. Not good for Boeing, but not an issue for those already in operation.Interest video for Juan Brown on his Blancillario channel.
In short they have changed the material on the intake barrel from an alloy to a carbon fibre plastic.
The engine anti ice has no auto function for anti ice. They have found if the engine anti ice is left on when not in actual icing conditions it can overheat the intake carbon reinforced plastic section and has caused servers engine damage and even killed someone already.
Boeing doing the usual of trying to drug FAA certification until effectively forced to do it.
https://youtu.be/CrKgZWMk1EA?si=M910lxhuoEkBQ5dZ
I would be right peaved if I had to spend half the flight switching the engine anti ice on and off all flight and if I forgot it could melt the intake and destroy the engine.
Give it a few mangled engines and you can bet O’Leary and Bob Jordan from Southwest will be making it abundantly clear to Calhoun that an automatic anti-ice retrofit will be made available.
Yes, I’ve travelled on a Max, thought it was indistinguishable from the 5 year old 800 we had in the other direction apart from the slightly different seating and toilet layout at the back. Biggest bugbear is the plank of wood they pretend is a baby change table, clearly designed by someone who’s never had to use it with the main intention of being cheap. Bit like the rest of the plane really.
Yes, I’ve travelled on a Max, thought it was indistinguishable from the 5 year old 800 we had in the other direction apart from the slightly different seating and toilet layout at the back. Biggest bugbear is the plank of wood they pretend is a baby change table, clearly designed by someone who’s never had to use it with the main intention of being cheap. Bit like the rest of the plane really.
alangla said:
Yes, I’ve travelled on a Max, thought it was indistinguishable from the 5 year old 800 we had in the other direction apart from the slightly different seating and toilet layout at the back. Biggest bugbear is the plank of wood they pretend is a baby change table, clearly designed by someone who’s never had to use it with the main intention of being cheap. Bit like the rest of the plane really.
That reminds me, when I worked for an airliner interiors company, the manufacturer's rep told us how the fold down baby-changing table broke on the first flight. It seems a couple were desparate to give the design its 'mile high' christening and the qualification testing hadn't allowed for this. The general consensus was that the qualification test author was a bit naive.Well that’s quite convenient for Boeing isn’t it.
Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703
Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703
- as for the original question I would fly in one. As usual more likely to get killed in a car on the way to the airport than in an air crash.MB140 said:
Well that’s quite convenient for Boeing isn’t it.
Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703
"Self inflicted wound" - yeah, right! Just as he was giving formal evidence... Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703
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