Suez blocked by stuck ship!
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Given how much of the red "below the water line" hull paint you can see, i think it's safe to say this one is pretty "hard" aground! The stiction between the hull and the canal bottom is going to be enourmous even without a significant proportion of the ships massive weight pressing down on the interface.
Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
Max_Torque said:
Given how much of the red "below the water line" hull paint you can see, i think it's safe to say this one is pretty "hard" aground! The stiction between the hull and the canal bottom is going to be enourmous even without a significant proportion of the ships massive weight pressing down on the interface.
Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
can they raise the water level?Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Any chance this was deliberate ?
stock prices?
one country sabotaging another ?
If you're going to block the Suez canal, there's much more efficient and longer term ways of doing it, no doubt, than this.stock prices?
one country sabotaging another ?
Plus, the goods on these ships are going into the whole of Europe, not just one country.
Anything's possible, but the chances are very remote.
Muzzer79 said:
If you're going to block the Suez canal, there's much more efficient and longer term ways of doing it, no doubt, than this.
Plus, the goods on these ships are going into the whole of Europe, not just one country.
Anything's possible, but the chances are very remote.
Good way to make it look accidental though. Plus, the goods on these ships are going into the whole of Europe, not just one country.
Anything's possible, but the chances are very remote.
Chinese diplomatic and military posturing over Taiwan has been increasing considerably in recent weeks.
If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
Seight_Returns said:
Chinese diplomatic and military posturing over Taiwan has been increasing considerably in recent weeks.
If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
I don’t know. I think they’d be more worried about the US Pacific fleet than anything the Europeans could muster. If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
I liked a suggestion on Twitter that they should get land vehicles to pull it back and forth to release it
Seight_Returns said:
Chinese diplomatic and military posturing over Taiwan has been increasing considerably in recent weeks.
If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
True, but at the same time I know if I was driving a boat through there pretty much my only thought all the way through would be, "What would happen if we hit the side now?" You can't really blame the Captain if he's just given in to temptation.If China wanted to retake Taiwan by force - blocking the Suez Canal and making it look like an accident to make it logistically much harder to reinforce Taiwan by sea would be an obvious first move.
Max_Torque said:
Given how much of the red "below the water line" hull paint you can see, i think it's safe to say this one is pretty "hard" aground! The stiction between the hull and the canal bottom is going to be enourmous even without a significant proportion of the ships massive weight pressing down on the interface.
Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
Wouldn't some on-land winching solution on both sides of the canal provide more force to drag this than tugs that only have water as resistance?Removing containers in situ is going to be hard as well. There are thousands off them, the ship is stuck at about 45 degrees across the canal, and the upper containers which must come off first must be about 50m above water level. Surely only a very large floating jib crane is going to be able to get access, unless they can build some sort of bodged up jib comming out from the shore line, but that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation) and the ship is 400m long, so there are few cranes with anything like enough reach / height capability?
Would need some strong and long cables and possibly a lot of winches combined
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