Suez blocked by stuck ship!

[Red9zero]

Have they got a local 4x4 Response team ?

[thewarlock]

They'll get their biggest tugs lined up, wait til the tide is good, and pull it out of there.

They're not going to be digging a new route around it or cutting it up, and I can't see them bothering to take anything off it.

[lufbramatt]

fiatpower said:

I liked a suggestion on Twitter that they should get land vehicles to pull it back and forth to release it

If those vehicles are a bunch of barried up muscle cars, you've got yourself the plot of the next Fast and Furious film.

[yellowjack]

Cold said:

Biker 1 said:

I reckon they'll have to dig a bypass canal, then leave the ship to rot away in what would become an evaporation pond.....

Yep. They do a similar thing with trains. I've seen the documentary.

Dammit I remember having to watch that again and again with my eldest. Henry and his "shiny green paint". And the Fat Controller portly gentleman whose doctor had forbidden him to push. I'm having flashbacks now to the anthropomorphic hell I went through with an 'Island Of Sodor' playmat and a plastic box full of locomotives and rolling stock with sinister faces on them...

[Biggy Stardust]

Max_Torque said:

that seems rather hard on sand (ie no solid foundation)

I'm sure my university geotechnics lecturer made the comment that there's no better foundation than a good sand.

Perhaps he was wrong.

[saaby93]

yellowjack said:

Cold said:

Biker 1 said:

I reckon they'll have to dig a bypass canal, then leave the ship to rot away in what would become an evaporation pond.....

Yep. They do a similar thing with trains. I've seen the documentary.

Dammit I remember having to watch that again and again with my eldest. Henry and his "shiny green paint". And the Fat Controller portly gentleman whose doctor had forbidden him to push. I'm having flashbacks now to the anthropomorphic hell I went through with an 'Island Of Sodor' playmat and a plastic box full of locomotives and rolling stock with sinister faces on them...

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[anonymous-user]

Ashfordian said:

Wouldn't some on-land winching solution on both sides of the canal provide more force to drag this than tugs that only have water as resistance?

Would need some strong and long cables and possibly a lot of winches combined

Techically this is probably the best and most controlled solution, but i'm going to guess the necessary hardware to do this, and the installation of suitable ground anchours (in sand) to react tens of thousands of tonnes of force, is not something you just arrange to do "tomorrow"......

Judging by the red painted water line, the bow looks to be at least 5m up out of the water from it's normal level, and that means a massive vertical load must be present (someone could knock out the buoyancy calcs to estimate just how much!) so with the friction of the mud and sand upon which the front 1/4 of the ships bottom is sitting, the line pulls are going to be absolutely massive.

Pulling the stern around and using the hull as a lever is more likely to work rather than a straight back pull, especially as the stern/rudde must be pretty close to, if not touching the other bank.....

[Quisling]

https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/13746641490...

no idea how to post a GIF

if someone could do the needful

[Clifford Chambers]

Apply some tension on a line, wait till you've a decent tide and a following wind, it'll pop out like a Cork from a bottle.

[anonymous-user]

Clifford Chambers said:

Apply some tension on a line, wait till you've a decent tide and a following wind, it'll pop out like a Cork from a bottle.

Is it tidal?

[thewarlock]

catweasle said:

s it tidal?

Yes, all at sea level, no locks.

[motco]

Biker 1 said:

I reckon they'll have to dig a bypass canal, then leave the ship to rot away in what would become an evaporation pond.....

Someone on 'Today' this morning said that as each end is supporting the weight of the entire ship and cargo, it is possible that it will 'sag in the middle'. In that event a bypass might be a good idea!

[Cold]

It's been "partially refloated" and is now apparently alongside the canal bank.

[anonymous-user]

thewarlock said:

catweasle said:

s it tidal?

Yes, all at sea level, no locks.

Quick goggle found this............seems the variation in levels is not great though.

Does seem like there is a current that varies in direction so drifting kinda makes sense if it lost power completely....especially if it was also windy.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240441695...

[tribalsurfer]

lufbramatt said:

If those vehicles are a bunch of barried up muscle cars, you've got yourself the plot of the next Fast and Furious film.

Or a special for Paddy, Fred and Chris.

[anonymous-user]

motco said:

Someone on 'Today' this morning said that as each end is supporting the weight of the entire ship and cargo, it is possible that it will 'sag in the middle'. In that event a bypass might be a good idea!

And this is why you shouldn't list to anyone on the TV or radio! Literally 1 second looking at the picture and the water line relative to the plimsol line shows one this is clearly not the case!

[thewarlock]

motco said:

Someone on 'Today' this morning said that as each end is supporting the weight of the entire ship and cargo, it is possible that it will 'sag in the middle'. In that event a bypass might be a good idea!

That's true, but there are things they can do to assist; fill the trim tanks up and start draining the tanks near midships to change the still water bending moment.

There should also be some decent margin as there'll be no hydrodynamic pressures, no waves adding to the BMs, because of where they are.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

fiatpower said:

I don’t know. I think they’d be more worried about the US Pacific fleet than anything the Europeans could muster.

I liked a suggestion on Twitter that they should get land vehicles to pull it back and forth to release it

The UK has already deployed a battalion of 4x4 volunteers.

Elon is already preparing an offensive tweet about their sexual preferences.

[thewarlock]

Max_Torque said:

And this is why you shouldn't list to anyone on the TV or radio! Literally 1 second looking at the picture and the water line relative to the plimsol line shows one this is clearly not the case!

How do you mean? If she's sitting high, because the ends are supported on something, that's exactly what you'd see.

[motco]

Max_Torque said:

motco said:

Someone on 'Today' this morning said that as each end is supporting the weight of the entire ship and cargo, it is possible that it will 'sag in the middle'. In that event a bypass might be a good idea!

And this is why you shouldn't list to anyone on the TV or radio! Literally 1 second looking at the picture and the water line relative to the plimsol line shows one this is clearly not the case!

He didn't say it was sagging, just that it might, presumably over time. Anyway, I am the messenger not the Oracle!