Bill's boating paradox...

[pequod]

Simpo Two said:

OK this is how it goes.

You tell us you need a boat that will do X, and that you have saved up £100 to buy it with.

We tell you that you will need a boat that does X and also Y, and that it will cost £5,000.

When you've come to terms with that, we tell you that you will need your boat to do Z as well, and that it will cost you £20,000.

The full process takes several weeks, or possibly a few months, but in the end, with our help, you will sell your house, and quite possibly your wife and children too, in order to purchase a £250K ocean-going yacht.

[jeromekjeromemodeoff]

The average house value in Wareham is well north of £400k so releasing 10% shouldn't be a stretch, should it?

I appreciate this is well short of the readies to buy an ocean-going yacht, but I reckon we can find a very suitable Cat B for the OP at £45k-ish?

[Simpo Two]

pequod said:

The average house value in Wareham is well north of £400k so releasing 10% shouldn't be a stretch, should it?

I appreciate this is well short of the readies to buy an ocean-going yacht, but I reckon we can find a very suitable Cat B for the OP at £45k-ish?

That is a very reasonable proposition Mr Quod. We shall get him comfortable with liberating £45K this week, and then next week find him a solution for his boating needs for a snip over £80K. By July he will have no house, but instead will own the finest boat within a 100 mile radius, and we can congratulate ourselves on a job well done!

Edited by Simpo Two on Wednesday 11th May 22:00

[Arnold Cunningham]

I can certainly put him in touch with some well connected people. I believe some superyachts are available at a knock down price.

[Bill]

[pequod]

Simpo Two said:

pequod said:

The average house value in Wareham is well north of £400k so releasing 10% shouldn't be a stretch, should it?

I appreciate this is well short of the readies to buy an ocean-going yacht, but I reckon we can find a very suitable Cat B for the OP at £45k-ish?

That is a very reasonable proposition Mr Quod. We shall get him comfortable with liberating £45K this week, and then next week find him a solution for his boating needs for a snip over £80K. By July he will have no house, but instead will own the finest boat within a 100 mile radius, and we can congratulate ourseves on a job well done!

Will you quit with them negative vibes?

We're only on page 5....

[Badda]

Exactly.

The biggest mistake people make when entering the boating world is not going in hard. Tentative, budget purchases will lead to regret!!

[pequod]

Badda said:

Exactly.

The biggest mistake people make when entering the boating world is not going in hard. Tentative, budget purchases will lead to regret!!

Precisely.

Messing around with a cheap, unsuitable boat will only lead to regret and crew mutiny, plus a boat that nobody wants to buy when you try to sell it.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Badda said:

Exactly.

The biggest mistake people make when entering the boating world is not going in hard. Tentative, budget purchases will lead to regret!!

Sometimes. On the flip side, getting a "toe in the water" and then deciding to go bigger, bigger and then bigger again to sate the thirst, losing an increasing amount of £ on each iteration is perfectly OK too.

Markus Henricks entered the 2008 Round Britan race in a 36' Supermarine Swordfish. It sank.
Has last boat was a custom design & build one off with at one point triple supercharged 1200hp+ motors.

So it's OK to start small and work your way up too, I think.

[pequod]

Have we considered a Jeanneau Leader 705, fitted with an inboard VP KAD 32, yet?

Very popular and plentiful, albeit many are petrol engined V6's which I would personally avoid, but the diesel KAD 32 is well suited to longer adventures and economical at moderate throttle.

This one is sold but a reference point for the OP....

https://www.rightboat.com/us/boats-for-sale/jeanne...

[Bill]

Not yet, but I have found this as a jack of all trades oddball: https://www.gumtree.com/p/boats/macgregor-x-boat-/...

[Arnold Cunningham]

They are an odd thing, I used to see one at hayling island. Seemed to be the worst of both rather than the best of both, but maybe I’m being harsh having not been on one, just watched.

That Jeanneau looks reasonable except we’ve tripled Bills max budget with it. Seems a lot for an 18 year old boat too.

[Huntsman]

Arnold Cunningham said:

They are an odd thing, I used to see one at hayling island. Seemed to be the worst of both rather than the best of both, but maybe I’m being harsh having not been on one, just watched.

That Jeanneau looks reasonable except we’ve tripled Bills max budget with it. Seems a lot for an 18 year old boat too.

Exactly right, the Macgregor is st at everything.

[pequod]

Huntsman said:

Arnold Cunningham said:

They are an odd thing, I used to see one at hayling island. Seemed to be the worst of both rather than the best of both, but maybe I’m being harsh having not been on one, just watched.

...

Exactly right, the Macgregor is st at everything.

I've never sailed on the Macgregor, so can't offer a fair opinion, but have seen 'em on the water and it appears 'odd' speeding along with mast and spars aloft.

Not sure it fits the brief either?

[Bill]

pequod said:

Not sure it fits the brief either?

No, but that's mostly because I'd written off day sailers as too slow and had no idea such a thing was possible.

[Jaguar steve]

Huntsman said:

Exactly right, the Macgregor is st at everything.

Absolutely.

Everybody knows what the OP wants is a proper cat A or B offshore yacht, not some lightweight, water ballasted weekend trailer sailer that'll fall over every time a seagull alights on the guard wires.

[Badda]

pequod said:

Have we considered a Jeanneau Leader 705, fitted with an inboard VP KAD 32, yet?

Very popular and plentiful, albeit many are petrol engined V6's which I would personally avoid, but the diesel KAD 32 is well suited to longer adventures and economical at moderate throttle.

This one is sold but a reference point for the OP....

https://www.rightboat.com/us/boats-for-sale/jeanne...

That was 805 money a couple of years back!

[Arnold Cunningham]

In 2006, 20k would get you a 30’ sports cruiser in decent nick with twin engines and bravo drives. Now I know 2006 isn’t yesterday, but that was a 17 year old boat at the time that I had.

So even allowing for inflation, things do seem expensive these days. 35k for that Jeanneau which is so so so much less boat. 7m, not 9. Single engine, not twin. Different class of boat.

There was a time not long ago when 40k would have bought you a brand new extreme 24 fully rigged and ready to go.

Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Friday 13th May 09:50

[Bill]

That's adding a level of complication... Prices are inflated post covid, but we're facing a cost of living crisis/recession. And we can go on holiday now the inflationary pressure is easing.

[LFB531]

Turtle Shed said:

Sorry to hijack the thread but something like that boat is very much what I am considering buying (size/budget/type), but I keep coming back to how/where to store the thing (I live on the Somerset/Devon border). Am I right in thinking that my options are:

1 - Expensive marina if I can find one (£4k/year)
2 - Somewhere up a river but still in the water (maybe £2,000/year?)
3 - In a boat yard near a river on a trailer and launch it as and when (maybe £1,500/year)
4 - In a boat yard not at a river (£1,000 year perhaps)

I accept that towing/launching is a pain, but going down that route does mean being able to take the boat to plenty of places and I assume anti-fouling isn't required. I have a RAV4 diesel which I assume would tow it without too much trouble.

Cheers :-)

As I'd flagged up the Maxum, thought I would comment......

In my experience, towing anything other than a modest dingy becomes a real faff. By the time you've hitched up, loaded, driven to the slip etc etc, you can guarantee the weather has changed and the family will have hit stress level max! I've gone the summer/6 month drystack option and it removes so much aggro. It comes home at the end of the season so I can tinker as much as I like then. My first boat was a 16' Fletcher and that was borderline on the slipway faffery stakes. Now on a 25' RIB and no way would I want to tow that backwards and forwards on a weekend basis.

[Simpo Two]

Bill said:

That's adding a level of complication... Prices are inflated post covid, but we're facing a cost of living crisis/recession. And we can go on holiday now the inflationary pressure is easing.

But that's one week a year and has to be booked in advance. You can go on a boat whenever you like, at any time. Furthermore a boat is an asset you can sell if you have to, but money spent on two tickets to Malaga and a cheap hotel is money gone...