One of the ultimate flight experiences?

One of the ultimate flight experiences?

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andyA700

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2,693 posts

37 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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I have often wondered about a Spitfire experience flight in a twin seater, but this really is in a different league. In Cape Town, there are the last four, flying English Electric Lightnings and for a big wedge of cash they will take you up in one.

https://incredible-adventures.com/capetown-space.h...

Tom1312

1,021 posts

146 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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Sadly it probably was... But they stopped in 2010.

https://incredible-adventures.com/cape-town-jets-n...

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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The latest I heard was that the Lightnings were being made ready for passenger flights again.

DodgyGeezer

40,445 posts

190 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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Eric Mc said:
The latest I heard was that the Lightnings were being made ready for passenger flights again.
that would be amazing!!!! That said, however, I sure I read somewhere that they had a fatality (plane disintegrated) on a flight and it transpired their maintenance was 'patchy' (hope I'm totally wrong!!)

andyA700

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2,693 posts

37 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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DodgyGeezer said:
Eric Mc said:
The latest I heard was that the Lightnings were being made ready for passenger flights again.
that would be amazing!!!! That said, however, I sure I read somewhere that they had a fatality (plane disintegrated) on a flight and it transpired their maintenance was 'patchy' (hope I'm totally wrong!!)
One of them crashed during a display, the rear fin detached and the pilot was unable to eject, so a couple of key failures. Throwing an aircraft like that around, considering its age, must be a bit risky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNuOkdFKXY

Mave

8,208 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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Not any more, according to their website frown

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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andyA700 said:
DodgyGeezer said:
Eric Mc said:
The latest I heard was that the Lightnings were being made ready for passenger flights again.
that would be amazing!!!! That said, however, I sure I read somewhere that they had a fatality (plane disintegrated) on a flight and it transpired their maintenance was 'patchy' (hope I'm totally wrong!!)
One of them crashed during a display, the rear fin detached and the pilot was unable to eject, so a couple of key failures. Throwing an aircraft like that around, considering its age, must be a bit risky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNuOkdFKXY
The pilot reported a hydraulic failure, then an ejection failure. It transpired that the hydraulic maintenance hadn't been according to manufacturers specs and the ejection cartridges were past their use by date.

On the other hand, according to a report I read. Pictures of the display show a fire in the region of the hydraulics equipment before the failure, which had been known to happen in RAF service, and examination of the wreckage attributed the ejection failure to a mechanical failure preventing the cockpit canopy from jettisoning. The cartridges for ejecting the canopy appeared to have worked, but the seat cartridges were meant to be set off by the canopy departing.
So dodgy maintenance but perhaps not as directly responsible for the tragedy as first appeared

Whatever happened to that Lightning being restored to fly in the US?

Tony1963

4,769 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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The Lightning in the States is progressing slowly. It taxis, looks good, and a team of Brits visit when they can to help out.

As regards Thunder City’s Lightnings, I hope Mike Beachy Head never gets close to operating them again. He pocketed huge sums of sponsorship money from Shell, cut corners on maintenance, and killed Dave Stock. Unforgivable.

I should think Brian Cox is still counting his blessings.

Tony1963

4,769 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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Op, in your link in your first post, click here to see what you missed:


magpie215

4,397 posts

189 months

Thursday 5th May 2022
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Tony1963 said:
, I hope Mike Beachy Head never gets close to operating them again.
He would need some divine intervention for that to happen.

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Friday 6th May 2022
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That does look like the new operation. The old operation went under the name "Thunder City".

Mike Beachyhead is deceased.

Tony1963

4,769 posts

162 months

Saturday 7th May 2022
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Eric Mc said:
Mike Beachyhead is deceased.
I missed that. If only the operation had been run differently.

Tony1963

4,769 posts

162 months

Saturday 7th May 2022
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Eric Mc said:
That does look like the new operation. The old operation went under the name "Thunder City".
What looks like the new operation?

Tony1963

4,769 posts

162 months

Saturday 7th May 2022
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All I can find is:

“ Thankfully, the news many have been waiting to hear, is that ZU-BBD, along with the other Thunder City airframes were purchased by Hangar 51 based in South Africa in late 2021, with the vision to return a few of them to the air once again for all to enjoy - hopefully, this will include one of the Lightnings!”

From: https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning...

Simpo Two

85,422 posts

265 months

Saturday 7th May 2022
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Tony1963 said:
Eric Mc said:
That does look like the new operation. The old operation went under the name "Thunder City".
What looks like the new operation?
'Edge of Space' I'd say.

Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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They didn't exactly have a stellar safety record in RAF service with over fifty of the RAF's 285 aircraft being lost in accidents. The vertically stacked engines weren't great for fire inducing fluid leakages.

Mercdriver

1,993 posts

33 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Instructor at our gliding club flew them for RAF, hated it, bought himself out. Described it like driving a bus, under instructions from ATC all the time. Take off rendezvous with tanker, fly on heading to intercept Russian aircraft and escort away, back to the tanker, land.

I asked him what the procedure was if lower engine had a fire, his reaction was to pull his hands down over face as if pulling eject blind over face, said it all about a twin engine aeroplane with vertically stacked engines.

Still an unbeatable, at the time, aeroplane

How do you get life insurance for flying in these?

Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Even when maintained & backed by the resources of Her Majesty's Government, this list doesn't make great reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_an...

285 in RAF service & 44 with the Saudis (including two-seaters).

Mercdriver

1,993 posts

33 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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That makes depressing reading penguinracer, not only for loss of aircraft but a high number of pilots lost as well.

Simpo Two

85,422 posts

265 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Mercdriver said:
Instructor at our gliding club flew them for RAF, hated it, bought himself out. Described it like driving a bus, under instructions from ATC all the time. Take off rendezvous with tanker, fly on heading to intercept Russian aircraft and escort away, back to the tanker, land.
It's called 'peacetime'; enjoy it while you can. How on earth does he put up with gliding - no engine and going round in circles all the time?