737 max loses window

[hidetheelephants]

craig1912 said:

Interesting FAA article,

“Do you want to fly in an airplane where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety?“

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/faas-diversity-...

What a surprise, internet gufftraps have got excited about a hiring policy. The relevant people will still need qualifications, pilots licences, STEM degrees, etc to do the roles that demand these things. No excitement over the FAA's corporate capture by Boeing, just frothing over hiring people who can do jobs.

[captain_cynic]

DanL said:

Surely they can both add DEI and perform their duties safely. Not every role in the FAA is going to be safety critical, after all - they’ve got to have tons of back office staff…

Can’t say I find anything in the article particularly worrying. It seems to be a Fox / Musk “anti-woke” load of nonsense.

This.

Both tha the FAA are going to have loads of staff in different roles and the NYPost is an utter yurd of a publication.

I think there are issues with the FAA that they are willing to overlook issues because Boeing and the airlines have too much power over them but this kind of issue comes from the top down.

[Byker28i]

4 passengers are now suing
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aeros...

[ChemicalChaos]

hidetheelephants said:

craig1912 said:

Interesting FAA article,

“Do you want to fly in an airplane where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety?“

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/faas-diversity-...

What a surprise, internet gufftraps have got excited about a hiring policy. The relevant people will still need qualifications, pilots licences, STEM degrees, etc to do the roles that demand these things. No excitement over the FAA's corporate capture by Boeing, just frothing over hiring people who can do jobs.

Firstly - dont forget we now live in a world where minority students are being given more lenient marking/inflated grades due to factors such as "racial trauma". They might have the required STEM grades on paper, but are those grades worth the paper they're written on?
https://www.discovery.org/education/2022/05/31/mov...


Secondly - just because the FAA might be keeping them away from safety critical roles, the it appears airlines may not be...
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/07/united-air...

[DanL]

ChemicalChaos said:

hidetheelephants said:

craig1912 said:

Interesting FAA article,

“Do you want to fly in an airplane where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety?“

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/faas-diversity-...

What a surprise, internet gufftraps have got excited about a hiring policy. The relevant people will still need qualifications, pilots licences, STEM degrees, etc to do the roles that demand these things. No excitement over the FAA's corporate capture by Boeing, just frothing over hiring people who can do jobs.

Firstly - dont forget we now live in a world where minority students are being given more lenient marking/inflated grades due to factors such as "racial trauma". They might have the required STEM grades on paper, but are those grades worth the paper they're written on?
https://www.discovery.org/education/2022/05/31/mov...


Secondly - just because the FAA might be keeping them away from safety critical roles, the it appears airlines may not be...
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/07/united-air...

None of that looks good on you, given the sources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Institut...

wiki said:

The Discovery Institute (DI) is a politically conservative think tank that advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design (ID). It was founded in 199 in Seattle as a non-profit offshoot of the Hudson Institute.

Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design beliefs in United States public high school science courses in place of accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific controversy exists over these subjects when in fact there is none.

Your other article even states “Keep in mind these are unconfirmed allegations that have yet to be addressed by United Airlines.”. For unconfirmed, perhaps read unfounded? Particularly in light of:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bizpac-review/

Edit: also, the discovery institute article is talking about a high school, not a university, and how students might be set up for failure if their grades are inflated. This is contrary to the point I think you’re trying to make, that unqualified people might be put in place. They won’t, because they’ll fail if unqualified.

Edited by DanL on Wednesday 17th January 12:18

[Byker28i]

[hidetheelephants]

DanL said:

None of that looks good on you, given the sources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Institut...

wiki said:

The Discovery Institute (DI) is a politically conservative think tank that advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design (ID). It was founded in 199 in Seattle as a non-profit offshoot of the Hudson Institute.

Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design beliefs in United States public high school science courses in place of accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific controversy exists over these subjects when in fact there is none.

Your other article even states “Keep in mind these are unconfirmed allegations that have yet to be addressed by United Airlines.”. For unconfirmed, perhaps read unfounded? Particularly in light of:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bizpac-review/

Edit: also, the discovery institute article is talking about a high school, not a university, and how students might be set up for failure if their grades are inflated. This is contrary to the point I think you’re trying to make, that unqualified people might be put in place. They won’t, because they’ll fail if unqualified.

A load of racist and creationist bullst aimed at keeping americans ignorant enough to keep voting GoP. Stay classy.

[Forester1965]

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

[phil squares]

With over 2000 on the BUFF (D & G) that's a new one about avoiding the centerline. I can assure you it is drilled into your head that the centerline is your friend!

I can assure you, there is nothing worse than listening to the noise the centerline lights make on a 747 loaded to MTOW! As a technique, there is nothing wrong with being slightly to the left or right to minimize the noise. After 11,000 on the 747 family, there was nothing funnier than the look on a new FO's face when you ask them about the noise on takeoff!! The normal reply after the "deer in the headlights" look was "what noise"!!

[Forester1965]

phil squares said:

With over 2000 on the BUFF (D & G) that's a new one about avoiding the centerline. I can assure you it is drilled into your head that the centerline is your friend!

I can assure you, there is nothing worse than listening to the noise the centerline lights make on a 747 loaded to MTOW! As a technique, there is nothing wrong with being slightly to the left or right to minimize the noise. After 11,000 on the 747 family, there was nothing funnier than the look on a new FO's face when you ask them about the noise on takeoff!! The normal reply after the "deer in the headlights" look was "what noise"!!

I guess posting to one side of the thread you meant to is similar!

[airbusA346]

Inspections have been expanded on to the 737-900ER with door plugs.

https://airwaysmag.com/faa-inspections-boeing-737-...


In a “Safety Alert for Operators” issued Sunday, the FAA said some operators had already begun additional inspections on the 737-900ER door plugs and “have noted findings with bolts during maintenance inspections.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aeros...

Edited by airbusA346 on Monday 22 January 15:42

[HoHoHo]

Forester1965 said:

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

I'm guessing this fuselage was built during her tenure?

Are Spirit implicated in the final assembly of this item on the aircraft or do they simply supply a shell and Boeing bolt bits in place (or don't on this occasion)?

[airbusA346]

HoHoHo said:

I'm guessing this fuselage was built during her tenure?

Are Spirit implicated in the final assembly of this item on the aircraft or do they simply supply a shell and Boeing bolt bits in place (or don't on this occasion)?

As far as I am aware the door plug is loosely fitted for transport. It is then removed on the final assembly line in Renton to aid access etc.

[HoHoHo]

airbusA346 said:

HoHoHo said:

I'm guessing this fuselage was built during her tenure?

Are Spirit implicated in the final assembly of this item on the aircraft or do they simply supply a shell and Boeing bolt bits in place (or don't on this occasion)?

As far as I am aware the door plug is loosely fitted for transport flight.

Fixed that for you.

[munroman]

Forester1965 said:

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

So, she would have been in charge when that aircraft was built at Spirit...

[Forester1965]

Yeah, she would. Don't think it's going to go on the CV! She was paid just over a million dollars to leave and she's plenty of Spirit stock, the price of which ironically went up when she departed!

[GliderRider]

munroman said:

Forester1965 said:

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

So, she would have been in charge when that aircraft was built at Spirit...

Regardless of whether the lady in question was in charge at Spirit or not, the door plug is removed at Seattle for systems and interiors to be fitted, so she's off the hook in that respect.

[Speed 3]

GliderRider said:

munroman said:

Forester1965 said:

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

So, she would have been in charge when that aircraft was built at Spirit...

Regardless of whether the lady in question was in charge at Spirit or not, the door plug is removed at Seattle for systems and interiors to be fitted, so she's off the hook in that respect.

I was wondering that, haven't seen it verified anywhere, do you have a source ? You wouldn't need to remove it for interior fit out work, it's just a slightly different shape of interior fuselage. I was wondering whether it was removed for painting (fuselage is delivered in primer from Spirit). Sometimes you remove parts for detailed finishing, especially if the inside needs to be in a top coat (not the case here). The only other reason for removing it (or just checking it) would be if Boeing had a torque check task in its own build process.

[Southerner]

Speed 3 said:

GliderRider said:

munroman said:

Forester1965 said:

A friend of mine's wife was the COO of Spirit, who build the 737 fuselage, until a couple of months ago. I imagine she's pretty glad to be out of it, now!

So, she would have been in charge when that aircraft was built at Spirit...

Regardless of whether the lady in question was in charge at Spirit or not, the door plug is removed at Seattle for systems and interiors to be fitted, so she's off the hook in that respect.

I was wondering that, haven't seen it verified anywhere, do you have a source ? You wouldn't need to remove it for interior fit out work, it's just a slightly different shape of interior fuselage. I was wondering whether it was removed for painting (fuselage is delivered in primer from Spirit). Sometimes you remove parts for detailed finishing, especially if the inside needs to be in a top coat (not the case here). The only other reason for removing it (or just checking it) would be if Boeing had a torque check task in its own build process.

I‘ve seen it stated somewhere that Boeing remove it to load the interior fixtures into the fuselage, and then refit it again. No source I’m afraid; I think it was on here somewhere. Makes sense though, must be a PITA lugging all the interior panels in through a bulky doorway, a plain “hole in the side” would presumably be easier where it exists?

Edited by Southerner on Wednesday 24th January 16:12

[Starfighter]

If it is the case that Boeing remove and refit the door plug then surely it would be in Spirit’s interest to use temporary fittings to locate it at their site and have Boeing fit the final fasteners as part of the final airframe build. Fitting red plastic bolts would make it obvious that the fitters were temporary and is similar to fitting streemers during maintenance etc.