737 max loses window

[craig1912]

colin79666 said:

That said airlines will be forced to move if the flying public vote with their wallets. I’m surprised there hasn’t been much of that already.

The average person hasn’t a clue what plane they are flying on. I deliberately choose either BA or EasyJet in Europe and avoid Ryan Air (not because they are crap but because they fly the Max) and I’m sure others do too but it’s a tiny minority.

[Forester1965]

Even with the Max issues, your chance of dying in a plane crash is vanishingly small.

[Starfighter]

I though that this was worth a watch . AS1282 NTSB Preliminary Report from The Boeing 737 Technical Channel

[CardinalBlue]

Correlation doesn’t necessarily equal causation… but this piece in Forbes on the turnover of staff at Boeing and impact it’s had on safety.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2024/0...

Not fact checked it, but the fact the starting wage as a delivery driver at Door Dash is in some cases $10 an hour more than an engineer at Boeing is alarming.

[cptsideways]

Starfighter said:

I though that this was worth a watch . AS1282 NTSB Preliminary Report from The Boeing 737 Technical Channel

The ministry of not the bleeding obvious haven't spoken. But: The door retention bolts weren't fitted since it left the factory after some rivet rework near the door aperture, where it was opened and refitted. There's even a pic of 3 them not in place at the time (of what looks like) the interior trim is being put back together.

[Speed 3]

Wow:

Boeing has suggested it has no documentation related to its removal and re-installation of the 737 Max 9 door plug that failed during a 5 January flight, while insisting it is fully cooperating with the National Transportation Safety Board’s (NTSB) investigation.

“With respect to documentation, if the door plug removal was undocumented there would be no documentation to share,” Boeing said on 6 March. “Since the first moments following the Alaska Airlines flight 1282 accident, we have worked proactively and transparently to fully support the NTSB’s investigation.”

Those comments came the day NTSB chair Jennifer Homendy told lawmakers Boeing had not provided her team with basic information related to the investigation.

[Starfighter]

Boeing is also looking to buy Spirit.

That could make for some interesting discussions with regulators. The FAA don’t have the manpower to include Spirit in the improvement program and trade bodies are going to be very unhappy about the impact on Airbus.

[b0rk]

Starfighter said:

Boeing is also looking to buy Spirit.

That could make for some interesting discussions with regulators. The FAA don’t have the manpower to include Spirit in the improvement program and trade bodies are going to be very unhappy about the impact on Airbus.

IMHO a Sprit purchase will be a case of Sprit management splitting the business up to maximise shareholder value and all that. The elements servicing Boeing then being sold to Boeing and the bits servicing Airbus being sold to Airbus or maybe GKN.

[MarkwG]

Starfighter said:

Boeing is also looking to buy Spirit.

That could make for some interesting discussions with regulators. The FAA don’t have the manpower to include Spirit in the improvement program and trade bodies are going to be very unhappy about the impact on Airbus.

I agree, for background, Spirit was originally a Boeing division, under a different name, going back to the 1940s. The split was in 2005 & I seem to recall there was rumbling about it not being an ideal plan then, with concerns about audit, regulation & quality control, which amplified when they bought the BAe business. It's going to take some work to get that genie back in the lamp.

[CardinalBlue]

A 777 lost a wheel on take off…

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/united-air...

Video:

https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/17658653161757123...

[Crudeoink]

Maybe we need to create a bingo board for different parts of Boeing aircraft falling off in-flight

[Eric Mc]

MarkwG said:

I agree, for background, Spirit was originally a Boeing division, under a different name, going back to the 1940s. The split was in 2005 & I seem to recall there was rumbling about it not being an ideal plan then, with concerns about audit, regulation & quality control, which amplified when they bought the BAe business. It's going to take some work to get that genie back in the lamp.

It was originally Boeing's Wichita Division and concentrated mainly on military contracts. B-29s, B-47s, B-50s and B-52s were built there.

[MarkwG]

Eric Mc said:

MarkwG said:

I agree, for background, Spirit was originally a Boeing division, under a different name, going back to the 1940s. The split was in 2005 & I seem to recall there was rumbling about it not being an ideal plan then, with concerns about audit, regulation & quality control, which amplified when they bought the BAe business. It's going to take some work to get that genie back in the lamp.

It was originally Boeing's Wichita Division and concentrated mainly on military contracts. B-29s, B-47s, B-50s and B-52s were built there.

Yep: a lot of aviation history in Wichita. Lear Jet & Cessna started up there.

[Southerner]

CardinalBlue said:

A 777 lost a wheel on take off…

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/united-air...

Video:

https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/17658653161757123...

Well it’s fortunate that didn’t wipe anybody out

In fairness, unless it was a brand spanky new plane, I guess that’ll be a local airline maintenance issue?

[Speed 3]

Southerner said:

CardinalBlue said:

A 777 lost a wheel on take off…

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/united-air...

Video:

https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/17658653161757123...

Well it’s fortunate that didn’t wipe anybody out

In fairness, unless it was a brand spanky new plane, I guess that’ll be a local airline maintenance issue?

23 years old ain't exactly spanky, Boeing get a pass on that one. The 777 probably their last properly great moment.

[craig1912]

Oh dear! A Boeing 737 MAX 8 for United Airlines has incurred landing gear failure during an attempt to land at Houston Intercontinental Airport, resulting in it going off of the runway. No injuries are reported at this time.

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/176614324269999762...

[MarkwG]

craig1912 said:

Oh dear! A Boeing 737 MAX 8 for United Airlines has incurred landing gear failure during an attempt to land at Houston Intercontinental Airport, resulting in it going off of the runway. No injuries are reported at this time.

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/176614324269999762...

That doesn't look like an aircraft issue as such: reports say the aircraft skidded as it turned off the runway, left the concrete & the gear on that side collapsed.

[captain_cynic]

MarkwG said:

craig1912 said:

Oh dear! A Boeing 737 MAX 8 for United Airlines has incurred landing gear failure during an attempt to land at Houston Intercontinental Airport, resulting in it going off of the runway. No injuries are reported at this time.

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/176614324269999762...

That doesn't look like an aircraft issue as such: reports say the aircraft skidded as it turned off the runway, left the concrete & the gear on that side collapsed.

What I read as well. Runway excursion and the gear collapsed on the grass.

Both this and the 777 wheel happened to United, so bad week for them. Probably worse for the poor sap who's car got smashed by a wheel.

We should be careful about explicitly trusting what we read on The App Formerly Known As Twitter.

[alangla]

An interesting counter to this & proof that everything in the other garden isn’t rosy, Flightradar’s weekly email has a story about large numbers of withdrawn A320/321 Neos awaiting engine inspections: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wizz-air-ground...
In saying that, the CFM ones appear to be running fine and there haven’t been any significant mishaps related to the P&W engines that I can remember, so maybe Airbus are rather more cautious and diligent about their aircraft.

[MarkwG]

alangla said:

An interesting counter to this & proof that everything in the other garden isn’t rosy, Flightradar’s weekly email has a story about large numbers of withdrawn A320/321 Neos awaiting engine inspections: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wizz-air-ground...
In saying that, the CFM ones appear to be running fine and there haven’t been any significant mishaps related to the P&W engines that I can remember, so maybe Airbus are rather more cautious and diligent about their aircraft.

I would hazard a guess that it's easier for Airbus to identify their contractor, P&W as the issue, hence any costs & reimbursements are laid at their door. That's not making a judgement as to whether they're better at managing issues than Boeing, though.