XH558...

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ecsrobin

17,140 posts

166 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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ChemicalChaos said:
b) keep an eye on Just Jane - as and when that finally returns to flight, it will have blazed a lot of trails through certification and suppliers etc which will then make life much easier for any lanc, shack or lincoln to follow
Has just Jane solved the runway issue?

The Brummie

9,373 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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Scaleybrat said:
The Brummie said:
And yet today VTTS have said that she will be run again in 2023!!!
Where have they said that?

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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The Brummie said:
Scaleybrat said:
The Brummie said:
And yet today VTTS have said that she will be run again in 2023!!!
Where have they said that?
Maybe, next weekend, is the last time they'll be allowed to do a runway run, and get a howl going?

I'm surprised though as I heard that Peel had told them once airport closes and fire cover removed they wouldn't be allowed to run the engines even statically.
Who knows with VTST, they say one thing then do something else.......their announcements seem to have as much validity as the Kremlin!
I think they are taking a chance on saying they are still going to do something in 2023 before starting to take it apart, as I wouldn't be leaving it too late in case they encounter a problem and run out of time! I know Crash n Smash only took 4 weeks to dismantle the Hendon Vulcan, but that was using the full resource of the RAF and the aircraft was still in service with all tools and cradles and an overhead crane in the hangar!
Maybe they are vainly hoping if they hang on as long as possible they won't have to leave, as some white knight on a horse will come to the rescue and the airport won't close.

Scaleybrat

467 posts

206 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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Thanks Brummie.
If we assume that the 2023 engine run is in early January, VTST are giving themselves a maximum of 20 weeks to dismantle XH558 and get it moved off site. As previously stated by aeropilot, there is no way that it’s going to be sympathetically broken down to enable reconnection of electrical, hydraulic and fuel lines when it gets to its new location. I think the above tight timescale confirms aeropilot’s comments.
Another thought, if DSA is now closed will there be adequate fire cover for any future engine runs?


Edited by Scaleybrat on Wednesday 9th November 21:26

mcdjl

5,451 posts

196 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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Is there anything to stop them cutting cables and crimping connectors on the ends so they could be reconnected? I guess you can't use push fittings for the pipes due to the pressure?

magpie215

4,404 posts

190 months

Wednesday 9th November 2022
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mcdjl said:
Is there anything to stop them cutting cables and crimping connectors on the ends so they could be reconnected?
Only the small issue of some of the looms being as thick as your arm with maybe 200+ individual cables within.


mcdjl

5,451 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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magpie215 said:
Only the small issue of some of the looms being as thick as your arm with maybe 200+ individual cables within.
Yeah sod that then. 8 pin connectors or even 25 pin d-subs are bad enough.

surveyor

17,845 posts

185 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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DSA is not closed yet - the date has been extended to the end of the month and based planes are still flying from and to here (passenger operations have ceased).

They may be playing with words with one final engine run this month then static events. Time will tell.

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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surveyor said:
DSA is not closed yet - the date has been extended to the end of the month and based planes are still flying from and to here (passenger operations have ceased).
Yes, saw Plod flying unit operating out of there the other day on flighttracker, so guessed there was still some non-pax ops taking place.


marksx

5,052 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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aeropilot said:
Yes, saw Plod flying unit operating out of there the other day on flighttracker, so guessed there was still some non-pax ops taking place.
O/T but I picked up on the police too as it was circling over us Friday. What does it do?

PurpleTurtle

7,016 posts

145 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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mcdjl said:
magpie215 said:
Only the small issue of some of the looms being as thick as your arm with maybe 200+ individual cables within.
Yeah sod that then. 8 pin connectors or even 25 pin d-subs are bad enough.
A couple of Scotchlocks should do it then yeah? hehe

DrDeAtH

3,588 posts

233 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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magpie215 said:
Only the small issue of some of the looms being as thick as your arm with maybe 200+ individual cables within.
Luckily for 558, the looms aren't that big now all the military systems were removed and modern cabling used.

They'll probably just twist and tape the cut ends back together though...

Scaleybrat

467 posts

206 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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DrDeAtH said:
Luckily for 558, the looms aren't that big now all the military systems were removed and modern cabling used.

They'll probably just twist and tape the cut ends back together though...
Tongue firmly in cheek?

AJLintern

4,202 posts

264 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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Would there have been an opportunity to have fitted connectors while it was being restored to make dismantling and reassembly possible in future? Or would that not have been allowed when in flying condition as it might have introduced potential failure point in the cables..?

Tony1963

4,788 posts

163 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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AJLintern said:
Would there have been an opportunity to have fitted connectors while it was being restored to make dismantling and reassembly possible in future? Or would that not have been allowed when in flying condition as it might have introduced potential failure point in the cables..?
That wouldn’t be in accordance with any maintenance manual, so would need clearing with the Design Authority and CAA. Unlikely I’d guess, and it would be very expensive anyway.
And most electrical issues are at terminations, so you’d have just introduced a few thousand more potential issues! And all ‘just in case’.

andburg

7,296 posts

170 months

Friday 11th November 2022
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that and making the looms connectable wont really help with the sheer size of the wings that were never intended to come off i guess

Ian974

2,946 posts

200 months

Monday 14th November 2022
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Adding connectors would be "possible", but I'd imagine the time, cost and complexity would be pretty significant.
For the off chance they might get to glue it together and switch it all back on? Can't see it happening

williamp

19,265 posts

274 months

Monday 14th November 2022
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Is it a daft question to ask are they colour coded, like on a car wiring loom??

Steve vRS

4,848 posts

242 months

Monday 14th November 2022
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williamp said:
Is it a daft question to ask are they colour coded, like on a car wiring loom??
No, so that they could get a Thatcham rating, they had to be all one colour.

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Monday 14th November 2022
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Isnt there a Vulcan Haynes manual?

assembly is the reverse of disassembly