XH558...

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andburg

7,296 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th November 2022
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Paul and Barry would have done a better job or moving it

T me, t you!

Coatesy351

861 posts

133 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.

Kitchski

6,516 posts

232 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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saaby93 said:
Isnt there a Vulcan Haynes manual?

assembly is the reverse of disassembly

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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Coatesy351 said:


This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.
The roots of the wings stay attached but there is a join outside the engines?
Does the Haynes manual give the detail
That could be managable yes

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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saaby93 said:
Coatesy351 said:


This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.
The roots of the wings stay attached but there is a join outside the engines?
Does the Haynes manual give the detail
That could be managable yes
These are images of the XL318 being dismantled in the hangar at Scampton for transportation to RAFM Hendon in early 1982.
This was done while aircraft was still in service with all available equipment including overhead crane and designed trestles, trained techs, and full resources of the RAF.






saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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aeropilot said:
saaby93 said:
Coatesy351 said:


This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.
The roots of the wings stay attached but there is a join outside the engines?
Does the Haynes manual give the detail
That could be managable yes
These are images of the XL318 being dismantled in the hangar at Scampton for transportation to RAFM Hendon in early 1982.
This was done while aircraft was still in service with all available equipment including overhead crane and designed trestles, trained techs, and full resources of the RAF.





In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?



MarkwG

4,858 posts

190 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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saaby93 said:
aeropilot said:
saaby93 said:
Coatesy351 said:


This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.
The roots of the wings stay attached but there is a join outside the engines?
Does the Haynes manual give the detail
That could be managable yes
These are images of the XL318 being dismantled in the hangar at Scampton for transportation to RAFM Hendon in early 1982.
This was done while aircraft was still in service with all available equipment including overhead crane and designed trestles, trained techs, and full resources of the RAF.





In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
Nice idea, but would take up a huge amount of space.

Seight_Returns

1,640 posts

202 months

Wednesday 16th November 2022
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saaby93 said:
In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
I've heard worse ideas.

As this thread has pointed out repeatedly - there are 2 ground running Vulcans in the UK and numerous static Vulcans at museums around the World - but there's nowhere where you can see the engineering that's inside the aircraft.

If VTTS actually want a STEM legacy for XH558 for the benefit of future generations, this is probably it.

ecsrobin

17,140 posts

166 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Seight_Returns said:
saaby93 said:
In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
I've heard worse ideas.

As this thread has pointed out repeatedly - there are 2 ground running Vulcans in the UK and numerous static Vulcans at museums around the World - but there's nowhere where you can see the engineering that's inside the aircraft.

If VTTS actually want a STEM legacy for XH558 for the benefit of future generations, this is probably it.
If they got David Hurst involved and stuck it in formaldehyde solution then the Tate might have it as an exhibition.

Boatbuoy

1,941 posts

163 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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ecsrobin said:
Seight_Returns said:
saaby93 said:
In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
I've heard worse ideas.

As this thread has pointed out repeatedly - there are 2 ground running Vulcans in the UK and numerous static Vulcans at museums around the World - but there's nowhere where you can see the engineering that's inside the aircraft.

If VTTS actually want a STEM legacy for XH558 for the benefit of future generations, this is probably it.
If they got David Hurst involved and stuck it in formaldehyde solution then the Tate might have it as an exhibition.
So, 1:1 Airfix sprue type arrangement like this in the Turbine Hall?



I'd be up for that!

Dr Interceptor

7,801 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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Boatbuoy said:
So, 1:1 Airfix sprue type arrangement like this in the Turbine Hall?



I'd be up for that!
Or like the F1 car at Mercedes-Benz world Brooklands...


droopsnoot

11,975 posts

243 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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ecsrobin said:
If they got David Hurst involved and stuck it in formaldehyde solution then the Tate might have it as an exhibition.
His brother Damian might do a better job. smile

MarkwG

4,858 posts

190 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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ecsrobin said:
If they got David Hurst involved and stuck it in formaldehyde solution then the Tate might have it as an exhibition.
(I think it's Damien Hirst wink )

lufbramatt

5,346 posts

135 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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ecsrobin said:
If they got David Hurst involved and stuck it in formaldehyde solution then the Tate might have it as an exhibition.
The Tate had a Jaguar and Sea Harrier on display a few years ago. The Jaguar was polished and upside down. Actually looked quite impressive.

PurpleTurtle

7,016 posts

145 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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MarkwG said:
saaby93 said:
aeropilot said:
saaby93 said:
Coatesy351 said:


This was how they were moved to Woodford for assembly.
Even broken down its still a big thing to shift.
The roots of the wings stay attached but there is a join outside the engines?
Does the Haynes manual give the detail
That could be managable yes
These are images of the XL318 being dismantled in the hangar at Scampton for transportation to RAFM Hendon in early 1982.
This was done while aircraft was still in service with all available equipment including overhead crane and designed trestles, trained techs, and full resources of the RAF.





In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
Nice idea, but would take up a huge amount of space.
... and a staggering amount of money, that VTTS just do not have.

I can't believe we're still having this conversation.

Speaking as a child of the Cold War era I was a massive fan of the work that VTTS did in getting XH-558 flying again.

I went to loads of airshows and events to see it, but always knew it would come to an end some day.

Its USP was that it was the last flying Vulcan. Now it is just another Vulcan without a permanent home.

The logical place for it is in an aviation museum, alongside other exhibits. As a standalone exhibit it is not financially viable.

All suitable aviation museums already have one if they want one.

Ergo there is nowhere for it to go, it is categorically never flying out of DSA, and the cost of road transport to an unknown unsuitable destination is prohibitive.

Scrapping it in situ at DSA is likely the only possible solution, sad though that is.

ecsrobin

17,140 posts

166 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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droopsnoot said:
His brother Damian might do a better job. smile
MarkwG said:
(I think it's Damien Hirst wink )
No his brother David specialises in aircraft Damien likes animals.

wink

Ian974

2,946 posts

200 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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How much is a suitably sized pickle jar going to cost?

RacingPete

8,884 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th November 2022
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saaby93 said:
In some ways an exhibit could be good having the separate pieces prior to assembly.
Wheres dr_gn?
You would imagine a full size version for him to put together might finish dr_gn off rofl

DrDeAtH

3,588 posts

233 months

Friday 18th November 2022
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williamp said:
Is it a daft question to ask are they colour coded, like on a car wiring loom??
Its pretty much all white cabling, but individually numbered.

magpie215

4,404 posts

190 months

Friday 18th November 2022
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DrDeAtH said:
williamp said:
Is it a daft question to ask are they colour coded, like on a car wiring loom??
Its pretty much all white cabling, but individually numbered.


This is pretty much how it is in aircraft....this pic is behind all the instruments in the cockpit.