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FourWheelDrift said:
Ayahuasca said:
Name the plane.
Clue: It's not a Mossie, although it is Merlin-powered.
With the location of the elevators half way up the tail I'd say Westland Welkin, but the Welkin didn't have a curving angle to the base of the tail fin. Unless it was a special.Clue: It's not a Mossie, although it is Merlin-powered.
FourWheelDrift said:
Ayahuasca said:
Name the plane.
Clue: It's not a Mossie, although it is Merlin-powered.
With the location of the elevators half way up the tail I'd say Westland Welkin, but the Welkin didn't have a curving angle to the base of the tail fin. Unless it was a special.Clue: It's not a Mossie, although it is Merlin-powered.
Ayahuasca said:
Well done!
After the war a whole lot of designers went to Argentina and developed their designs including the guy who penned the FW-190.
Here is another one with a certain Germanic look about it:
How many Argentinians does it take to make a plane (that probably never flew)?After the war a whole lot of designers went to Argentina and developed their designs including the guy who penned the FW-190.
Here is another one with a certain Germanic look about it:
Eric Mc said:
Ayahuasca said:
Well done!
After the war a whole lot of designers went to Argentina and developed their designs including the guy who penned the FW-190.
Here is another one with a certain Germanic look about it:
How many Argentinians does it take to make a plane (that probably never flew)?After the war a whole lot of designers went to Argentina and developed their designs including the guy who penned the FW-190.
Here is another one with a certain Germanic look about it:
It flew in 1960.
Designed by Reimar Horten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DINFIA_IA_38
Ayahuasca said:
It flew in 1960.
Designed by Reimar Horten.
That says a lot. Buy 1960 we had designed and built the three V bombers, Lightning, Comet and the Canberra, which flew as high as 70,000 ft and flew non-stop accross the Atlantic in 1952. Oh, and we were 2 years away from agreeing the treaty which would lead to Supersonic airline. Designed by Reimar Horten.
williamp said:
Ayahuasca said:
It flew in 1960.
Designed by Reimar Horten.
That says a lot. Buy 1960 we had designed and built the three V bombers, Lightning, Comet and the Canberra, which flew as high as 70,000 ft and flew non-stop accross the Atlantic in 1952. Oh, and we were 2 years away from agreeing the treaty which would lead to Supersonic airline. Designed by Reimar Horten.
Meanwhile Kurt Tank (who designed the FW-190) build this for the Argies in 1950:
Eric Mc said:
Maybe, but they didn't do much as far as I am aware.
OK Eric I've had enough of it. The contributions of the F3 fleet in the gulf have been posted here before, if you wish to ignore the efforts and sacrifices of both the air and ground staff in some some spotters w@nk fest that's up to you.
(Cue the inevitable spotters I didn't know the real story.)
For your information, Eric, Squadrons of the Royal Air Force are not presented with Battle Honours ad-hock like the Yanks.
On the instigation of Operation Desert Shield the RAF Sqdn on APC in Cyprus had 48 hours to go from gun camp to a war footing and deployment to Saudi.
They, alongside the Yanks, held the line against overwhelming odds until relieved by superior forces.
My own Sqdn was deployed to Dhahran to relieve them, ON A WAR FOOTING, expecting to be subjected to conventional, chemical, biological and even nuclear attack.
During that time the Sqn operated continuously in both the persecution of the war effort and the reinforcement of the following peace.
Fast forward to the Balkans where the deployed F3's maintained support of the air domination and in particular Intel gathering. Having been present, and witnessed, the debriefs of the F3 crews and what they had recorded and uplinked to SACSOUTH along with the frustration of their being denied permission to engage and intervene.
The Alaram mod on the OCU's aircraft used the basic airframes pure speed, RHWR, modded EECM and DATA link capabilities to the full.
So to surmise Eric, you can't make a purse etc.
However the role that was envisaged for the aircraft was to go out over the winter North Sea and intercept the carriers of nuclear armed cruise missiles before they could launch.
It was sublime in this role, as it's low level speed, maneuverability, radar and loiter was unsurpassed at the time.
With the advent of ASRAAM (and US bottom spec AMRAAM) it gained further important capabilities.
Make no mistake, it is/was an old design and suffers from it.
But if it is employed as initially designed it is/was one of the best airframes and has/had the best operators and proven tactics.
Ask the Yanks on Cape Thunder/Red-Green Flag.
Mo.
I think you have just said in more detail what I already said.
The RAF aircrews who flew the F3s and the technical crews who looked after them did the best with what they had.
( You did note that I had already mentioned the fact that I was in no way belittling those who operated the F3 - far from it).
The RAF aircrews who flew the F3s and the technical crews who looked after them did the best with what they had.
( You did note that I had already mentioned the fact that I was in no way belittling those who operated the F3 - far from it).
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