Sunken ships.

[MK4 Slowride]

My question got overlooked so obviously time for it's own thread.

Is there a wreck site where a ship or submarine has sunk and landed on top of another already sunken vessel?

With all the ships lost at Sea in both War & Peace time it must of happended at least once. If not directly on top of each other perhaps very close?

[ofcorsa]

I dunno

But i once tripped over someone who had already tripped over,


ALMOST the same thing

[therealpigdog]

pearl harbour?

[FourWheelDrift]

I saw a programme on the TV once, they were diving on a WWII Japanese wreck and found an older one under it. Not sure where, might have been Truk lagoon.

[Jasandjules]

FourWheelDrift said:

I saw a programme on the TV once, they were diving on a WWII Japanese wreck and found an older one under it. Not sure where, might have been Truk lagoon.

I would imagine with the amount of lost ships/kit in Truk, that it would be a possible....

[MK4 Slowride]

FourWheelDrift said:

I saw a programme on the TV once, they were diving on a WWII Japanese wreck and found an older one under it. Not sure where, might have been Truk lagoon.

Ok will have a look. A link to a big diving group who seem to live at Truk lagoon was posted last week so shall have a proper nosey.

[Bushmaster]

'The Deep', Peter Benchley's follow-up novel after Jaws and a film with Jacqueline Bisset and Robert Shaw was all about this. They found a sunken Spanish treasure galleon that had a WWII cargo ship full of morphine sunk on top of it. Some reefs have killed ship after ship so it would be surprising if some shipwrecks weren't on top of older ones.

[Fezant Pluckah]

MK4 Slowride said:

FourWheelDrift said:

I saw a programme on the TV once, they were diving on a WWII Japanese wreck and found an older one under it. Not sure where, might have been Truk lagoon.

Ok will have a look. A link to a big diving group who seem to live at Truk lagoon was posted last week so shall have a proper nosey.

I know it's not Truk, I believe it was Guam.

[fathomfive]

Bushmaster said:

'The Deep', Peter Benchley's follow-up novel after Jaws and a film with Jacqueline Bisset and Robert Shaw was all about this. They found a sunken Spanish treasure galleon that had a WWII cargo ship full of morphine sunk on top of it. Some reefs have killed ship after ship so it would be surprising if some shipwrecks weren't on top of older ones.

A Double-Wrecker, so to speak.

[Fezant Pluckah]

Yep, Guam.

The Tokai Maru sitting on top of the SMS Comoran

ETA, no not sitting one on top of the other, but right next door to each other

Edited by Fezant Pluckah on Monday 16th February 17:38

[MK4 Slowride]

Just been checking it all out. Some good reading to do later then.

google find said:

A few minutes later the Tokai slipped beneath the surface, sinking into Apra Harbor, off Guam. She was sunk only six feet away from the German cruiser from WWI.

Just spotted this from skim reading.^

[Semi hemi]

I would think that somewhere like the Eddystone reef that claimed many ships before the lighthouse was built would be a good place to start

[FourWheelDrift]

Bushmaster said:

'The Deep', Peter Benchley's follow-up novel after Jaws and a film with Jacqueline Bisset and Robert Shaw was all about this. They found a sunken Spanish treasure galleon that had a WWII cargo ship full of morphine sunk on top of it. Some reefs have killed ship after ship so it would be surprising if some shipwrecks weren't on top of older ones.

Has one of the best intros to any movie ever.



And yes the SMS Cormoran / Tokai Maru wrecks were what I was thinking about.

[jimmystratos]

I'm sure there's a couple stacked up at the southeastern side of the Sound of Mull.

[tank slapper]

If you look at the navigation charts for the Thames estuary, at a certain point they stop including wrecks apart from those that are hazardous because there are so many the chart would be very cluttered. I don't know if there are any that are literally on top of another, but there are enough that there are likely to be some in very close proximity.

[Simpo Two]

therealpigdog said:

pearl harbour?

Nope, the ones that sank were in shallow water (harbour) - no chance to overlap.

I think we should build a dam at each end of the English Channel and pump all the water out. It would be astonishing to see how much history there is down there.

[10 Pence Short]

Simpo Two said:

therealpigdog said:

pearl harbour?

Nope, the ones that sank were in shallow water (harbour) - no chance to overlap.

I think we should build a dam at each end of the English Channel and pump all the water out. It would be astonishing to see how much history there is down there.

I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary in between the football at the weekend that showed they'd cleaned the entire Channel out. Must have used some big magnate, as the stuff was kjust flying out into the air. I had been drinking for some time, so I might be wrong.

[MK4 Slowride]

Simpo Two said:

therealpigdog said:

pearl harbour?

Nope, the ones that sank were in shallow water (harbour) - no chance to overlap.

I think we should build a dam at each end of the English Channel and pump all the water out. It would be astonishing to see how much history there is down there.

Boss of the Discovery channel, you read it here first on my thread & Simpo Two can have a bit of credit also:

Using a structure like they do building concrete bridge supports they could isolate a specially selected portion of the Channel/estury and dig it up with Tony Robinson & Phil, YARRRRRRRRR.




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ETA: Reading more on the SMS Cormoran is appears it ran out of coal and the sailors lived in Guam for 2 years before the outbreak of WW1 when they scuttled the ship losing 13 men in the process & spending the WAt as prisoners! 6 years+, my god I hope they settled in or that'd be a touch boring. Also if would your mrs really wait all that time for you to get back & drill her. Doubt it.

Edited by MK4 Slowride on Monday 16th February 18:52

[tinman0]

MK4 Slowride said:

Is there a wreck site where a ship or submarine has sunk and landed on top of another already sunken vessel?

Yes, off the coast of South Devon.

I think there is a point where there are three wrecks piled on top of each other just south of Hallsands. IIRC there are 6,000 odd wrecks in about 30 miles of water or something quite ridiculous.

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If you go to the lighthouse at Start Point you can get a really good tour of the lighthouse and brief history of the area. You will also learn that if you are at sea and you see a red light coming from the lighthouse - you are pretty much screwed and are about to sink and die, "have a nice life, what's left of it."

Edited by tinman0 on Monday 16th February 19:07

[MK4 Slowride]

tinman0 said:

MK4 Slowride said:

Is there a wreck site where a ship or submarine has sunk and landed on top of another already sunken vessel?

Yes, off the coast of South Devon.

I think there is a point where there are three wrecks piled on top of each other just south of Hallsands. IIRC there are 6,000 odd wrecks in about 30 miles of water or something quite ridiculous.

Thanks, 3 I shall commence the Google of that location.

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This lady diver is touching both the SMS Cormoran & Tokai Maru.

They do or did actually touch because one has been peeled open by the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmfW4puxeOo

Edited by MK4 Slowride on Monday 16th February 19:08