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kicks said:
IforB said:
Oh a reply from someone with a licence but no clue. Good one. When you have secured that all important first job, then let us know how it went.
I'll bet you are off down the Ryanair route too I suppose. Paying to work? Yep, that'll be nice. It's funny how inexperienced newbies get jobs and yet the experienced peeps get the dole. I wonder why? Oh, it's because you are happy to work for peanuts. How much flying do you reckon the experienced (expensive) RYR F/O's are getting at the mo? Especially since the majority of their salary is flying pay? Good one that eh!
Look back in 10 years, then maybe you'll understand how the industry really is.
You're right I am new. And yes I will be looking towards ryanair. I'll bet you are off down the Ryanair route too I suppose. Paying to work? Yep, that'll be nice. It's funny how inexperienced newbies get jobs and yet the experienced peeps get the dole. I wonder why? Oh, it's because you are happy to work for peanuts. How much flying do you reckon the experienced (expensive) RYR F/O's are getting at the mo? Especially since the majority of their salary is flying pay? Good one that eh!
Look back in 10 years, then maybe you'll understand how the industry really is.
Everyone knows it's not a perfect job, but what is. Up until now I've worked in security, hotels, fitness and as ground staff in airports. All jobs have their downsides. I still know i'll be happier flying planes instead of getting fat rich people to walk for an hour a week.
Back to the origional question. OP I know guys who are earning twice or three times what they will earn in the first three years that they will earn in the airlines. And they'll prob join ryanair too.
Funny how I know so many experienced people who've been made redundant recently.
Ryanair are cutting routes and parking aircraft. 200 are being "redeployed" from Dublin and other bases are being closed. That should be interesting with another 50+ aircraft arriving over the next couple of years. I know Aviation Finance specialists who are starting to get mightily concerned about RYR. I hope they are wrong, but that is their field of expertise not mine.
Bmi are also chopping routes left right and centre.
BA are drawing back into Heathrow.
Yep, a great business to be spanking £100K on getting into at the moment!
Unfortunately your attitude is what has made it so difficult for any of us to even try and retain our T's and C's, let alone get them increased.
Walking into a jet job with 250 hrs total.....................I've trained people for IR's, CPL's and I'll tell you now. You know naff all at that stage. I certainly didn't.
It might be legal for you to be in the right hand seat, but it ain't sensible.
In the "olden days" cadets had to go through a vigorous selection scheme and their training was for more intensive. Now, the only prerequisite is whether you have the money. Any idiot can pass the JAA groundschool exams now and I know that monkeys can be trained to pass an IR. I've trained enough of them.
So the competition is fierce and people are willing to slit their grandmother's throat to get onto a jet.
It's all about the money, not the joy of flying.
Having flown SEP, MEP, Heli's, Turboprops and Jets I know where the fun is and it doesn't come from any aircraft with thrust levers (unless they have a setting marked afterburner.)
People jumping straight to RYR or another jet operator are missing out an awful lot, not just in terms of fun, but in terms of experience.
When the poop hits the twirly thing, I know who I want to be sitting next to and it isn't someone who's walked straight out of Oxford and onto a jet type rating course that they paid for.
The recent AAIB report on the A320 that was damaged by a self sponsored "cadet" says it all really. There just isn't enough overview and checking as it isn't in a commercial FTO's interest to chop students who blatantly aren't suited. Believe me when I say, having a frozen ATPL is no guarantee that someone isn't an absolute liability.
IforB said:
Walking into a jet job with 250 hrs total.....................I've trained people for IR's, CPL's and I'll tell you now. You know naff all at that stage. I certainly didn't.
Where in my posts did I say I know everything. I was just giving my opinion. I've seen enough people who can't fly but there are idiots in every profession.
Ryanair are relocating planes from Shannon and Dublin for a couple of reasons. The recession is one but they also want to get better terms from the Irish government and the airport authorities. Also the block on the takeover of aerlingus is a big factor.
kicks said:
IforB said:
Walking into a jet job with 250 hrs total.....................I've trained people for IR's, CPL's and I'll tell you now. You know naff all at that stage. I certainly didn't.
Where in my posts did I say I know everything. I was just giving my opinion. I've seen enough people who can't fly but there are idiots in every profession.
Ryanair are relocating planes from Shannon and Dublin for a couple of reasons. The recession is one but they also want to get better terms from the Irish government and the airport authorities. Also the block on the takeover of aerlingus is a big factor.
The real reasons will become clear enough eventually. However, shafting your staff by forcing them to move, simply to bully the Government and the airport authority.........Yeah, that's someone I want to work for.
Have a read of the latest issue of the Log (I'm assuming you are a BALPA member) there's a good article about the training industry and the quality of cadets.
Liam, just know that holding a licence does not mean that you will get a jet job.
read it again
and again.
No, really dude, read it again.
Some licence holders never get any commercial job and return to their previous careers.
Paying back loans in this case must be painful.
Having said the above, 'faint heart' and all that! Long time dead etc.
No one here on this board has a better view from his office window than from the pointy end!
Sounds like there are some guys here with the information to arm you with the knowledge that you need to make the decision. Best of luck.
read it again
and again.
No, really dude, read it again.
Some licence holders never get any commercial job and return to their previous careers.
Paying back loans in this case must be painful.
Having said the above, 'faint heart' and all that! Long time dead etc.
No one here on this board has a better view from his office window than from the pointy end!
Sounds like there are some guys here with the information to arm you with the knowledge that you need to make the decision. Best of luck.
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