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[andy97]

The Invincible Class & Ocean are completely different. OK, they both have "flat tops" but that's where the similarity ends. Invicible et al were built to full warship standards with extensive internal sub division and were designed for the anti submarine warfare role; they have extensive command, control, communications & sensor facilities plus the well known ability to carry & support the Harrier operationally. They orignally had a Sea Dart missile system forward, too, but that has since been removed. Invincible Class are powered by 4 x Olympus Gas Turbines.

Ocean was built on a "liner" type hull to merchant standards - cheap & cheerful really and designed to carry helicopters and Royal Marines. Very limited command & control or sensor fit etc, very limited self protection and only the after part of the flight deck was strengthened to allow the Harrrier to land in a "ferry" role, not to act as an oprational Carrier. Ocean is powered by Diesel engines. For all that, nothing wrong with Ocean, she is good value for money for what she is & its is a pity we don't have a couple more of them but she is not a Carrier & never will be.

Sorry if I'm being a "spotter", I served in Illustrious in the mid 80s.

[Shar2]

andy97 said:

The Invincible Class & Ocean are completely different. OK, they both have "flat tops" but that's where the similarity ends. Invicible et al were built to full warship standards with extensive internal sub division and were designed for the anti submarine warfare role; they have extensive command, control, communications & sensor facilities plus the well known ability to carry & support the Harrier operationally. They orignally had a Sea Dart missile system forward, too, but that has since been removed. Invincible Class are powered by 4 x Olympus Gas Turbines.

Ocean was built on a "liner" type hull to merchant standards - cheap & cheerful really and designed to carry helicopters and Royal Marines. Very limited command & control or sensor fit etc, very limited self protection and only the after part of the flight deck was strengthened to allow the Harrrier to land in a "ferry" role, not to act as an oprational Carrier. Ocean is powered by Diesel engines. For all that, nothing wrong with Ocean, she is good value for money for what she is & its is a pity we don't have a couple more of them but she is not a Carrier & never will be.

Sorry if I'm being a "spotter", I served in Illustrious in the mid 80s.

You forgot to mention the fact that they got the front end wrong on the Ocean so that as you walk forward you find yourself walking up a slope. That's the trouble with having different yards building different parts of the ship.

Served on Illustrious in the late 80's

[jeffw]

I'm ex-RN as well...

[Shar2]

jeffw said:

I'm ex-RN as well...

There seems to be quite a few of us here.

[andy97]

Shar2, given your nickname on here & the fact that you are an aircraft engineer we might have crossed paths - I was on 814 in 1984 & 899/ VL workshops 87-89. I then sold my soul to become a Seaman Officer, I was better at that than I was as a Tiff! I bet we know some of the same people!

[Alfa_75_Steve]

andy97 said:

The Invincible Class & Ocean are completely different. OK, they both have "flat tops" but that's where the similarity ends. Invicible et al were built to full warship standards with extensive internal sub division and were designed for the anti submarine warfare role; they have extensive command, control, communications & sensor facilities plus the well known ability to carry & support the Harrier operationally. They orignally had a Sea Dart missile system forward, too, but that has since been removed. Invincible Class are powered by 4 x Olympus Gas Turbines.

Ocean was built on a "liner" type hull to merchant standards - cheap & cheerful really and designed to carry helicopters and Royal Marines. Very limited command & control or sensor fit etc, very limited self protection and only the after part of the flight deck was strengthened to allow the Harrrier to land in a "ferry" role, not to act as an oprational Carrier. Ocean is powered by Diesel engines. For all that, nothing wrong with Ocean, she is good value for money for what she is & its is a pity we don't have a couple more of them but she is not a Carrier & never will be.

Sorry if I'm being a "spotter", I served in Illustrious in the mid 80s.

Thanks for that.

I was under the impression that the Ocean was just the Invincible design built by civilian yards.

[Shar2]

andy97 said:

Shar2, given your nickname on here & the fact that you are an aircraft engineer we might have crossed paths - I was on 814 in 1984 & 899/ VL workshops 87-89. I then sold my soul to become a Seaman Officer, I was better at that than I was as a Tiff! I bet we know some of the same people!

Very likely. I was on 846 during '86 then joined 899 early '88 thence onward to 800 late 88 till '90. My last two years were at AMG/VL. I started as a Tiff in '84, but flucked my exams and recated to AEM. Still no regrets, as the experience got me the job i'm in now.

[Battenburg Bob]

Ex Seaman Officer here too!!

[jeffw]

Ex-Chief WEA

[swanny71]

Ex-Chief MEA

Edited by swanny71 on Saturday 2nd May 13:15

[Nickyboy]

FourWheelDrift said:

Not so much cool, as sad.

SS Blue Lady, (ex-SS Norway, ex-SS France) driven into the beach at Alang India for scrapping 2007-2008. Before the building of the Queen Mary 2 this was the longest passenger ship ever built.

Plenty of ships waiting to be broken up here inc an aircraft carrier http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

[Shar2]

Don't think the carrier, (Foch), is there anymore as last time I heard it's has been towed to be broken up with the US ghost ships in the North East of England, (Hartlepool?).

[Alfa_75_Steve]

Shar2 said:

Don't think the carrier, (Foch), is there anymore as last time I heard it's has been towed to be broken up with the US ghost ships in the North East of England, (Hartlepool?).

Are you sure that's Foch?

Isn't Foch now renamed Sao Paulo, serving with the Brazilian Navy?

ETA: That would appear to be Clemenceau.

Edited by Alfa_75_Steve on Sunday 3rd May 20:29

[Shar2]

Alfa_75_Steve said:

Shar2 said:

Don't think the carrier, (Foch), is there anymore as last time I heard it's has been towed to be broken up with the US ghost ships in the North East of England, (Hartlepool?).

Are you sure that's Foch?

Isn't Foch now renamed Sao Paulo, serving with the Brazilian Navy?

ETA: That would appear to be Clemenceau.

Edited by Alfa_75_Steve on Sunday 3rd May 20:29

You are quite correct, I had the right class, just the wrong ship, plus Foch is easier to spell

[Jonny671]

Nickyboy said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Not so much cool, as sad.

SS Blue Lady, (ex-SS Norway, ex-SS France) driven into the beach at Alang India for scrapping 2007-2008. Before the building of the Queen Mary 2 this was the longest passenger ship ever built.

Plenty of ships waiting to be broken up here inc an aircraft carrier http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

On this link, if you follow the coast up a little bit.. Theres a weird triangle shaped ship, any information on that?

(I'd link it, but for some reason maps doesn't remember where your looking)

Edited by Jonny671 on Sunday 3rd May 21:09

[Alfa_75_Steve]

This one:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

(It's easy to link, you just use the 'link' button!)

[Jonny671]

Alfa_75_Steve said:

This one:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

(It's easy to link, you just use the 'link' button!)

Thats the one! It looks abit weird.

(Oh! Thanks, I never noticed that Link button there )

[FourWheelDrift]

Isn't it just a Supertanker that has been part dismantled, the bow and front half gone leaving rear half only.

[ninja-lewis]

FourWheelDrift said:

Isn't it just a Supertanker that has been part dismantled, the bow and front half gone leaving rear half only.

Guardian suggests it's the former Hellespont Grand.

[Jem Thompson]

I just watched the Perfect Storm again the other night. I loved it, and it has some awesome footage of a container ship and oil tanker getting smashed around by some huge waves. A really good movie, though probably not very realistic if you know about boats.