Victor at Bruntingthorpe

[TillyFlop]

Yes the Victor took off ... I was at the show. It only took off due to the extreme windy conditions. There were no problems with throttle. Once the Victor was in the air the pilot managed to get the plane on track & landed it without any problems.

[FourWheelDrift]

paul_y3k said:

eric .... did the Vic also not have problems at low level when compared to the Vulcan ? i remember reading something about stress on the wing nd fractures ? Thus making is unsuitable for that role ?

I've just dug out the Warbirds Illustrated book No 35, "V Bombers" by Bob Downey that I bought ages ago. In it are some fantastic production line photos of Vulcans and Victors being builts, 72 pages in total. There's a photo of 11 Vulcan nose/cockpits lined up, 8 centre sections in another and 6 almost complete in another photo. Photo of 7 Victors being built on the production line at Handley Page too.

On one of the introduction pages is a photo of a Victor rear fuselage and tail assembly undergoing stress testing, for high altitude operations only though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/V-Bombers-Warbirds-Illustr...

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/biblio/series/warbirds...

[Eric Mc]

It needs to be remembered that the Operational Requirement for the aircraft that became the three V Bombers dated from the 1940s. At that time, high altitude equated to safety from anti-aircraft fire.

[magpie215]

it will be interesting to view the video footage when it surfaces

[FourWheelDrift]

This is the run, but it's cut before the aircraft lifts because I think the person taking it can only see other peoples heads - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONj4DPYhkcA

[Seasider]

annon said:

the victor was being commanded by an ex pilot of that type but the throttle man was just a helper under instruction from the pilot when instructed to shut down the throttles he only reduced it a bit the pilot then told him all the way at witch point he panicked and went to full power instead the rest is history

Ooops....

[andy97]

annon said:

the victor was being commanded by an ex pilot of that type but the throttle man was just a helper under instruction from the pilot when instructed to shut down the throttles he only reduced it a bit the pilot then told him all the way at witch point he panicked and went to full power instead the rest is history

Thats a very serious statement that appears to be from someone with direct knowledge - providence?

[trogwatts]

Tis true. My mate has an old buccaneer over there, he was watching the fast taxi run by a Victor. Hadn't flown for 21 years! Left the ground by at least 50 feet apparently. Cameraman half way down the runway must've kacked himself!!

[Eric Mc]

trogwatts said:

Tis true. My mate has an old buccaneer over there, he was watching the fast taxi run by a Victor. Hadn't flown for 21 years! Left the ground by at least 50 feet apparently. Cameraman half way down the runway must've kacked himself!!

We know the incident is true. It's the assertion that someone panicked with the trottles that needs some more substantiation.

[anonymous-user]

trogwatts said:

Tis true. My mate has an old buccaneer over there, he was watching the fast taxi run by a Victor. Hadn't flown for 21 years! Left the ground by at least 50 feet apparently. Cameraman half way down the runway must've kacked himself!!

This particular Victor was retired in 1993 so it was retired 16 years ago. It was one of a few to carry nose art from the Gulf War of 1990/1991, although I believe it was removed after the war it was reapplied when it went to Bruntingthorpe.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 7th May 19:21

[Mojocvh]

Seasider said:

annon said:

the victor was being commanded by an ex pilot of that type but the throttle man was just a helper under instruction from the pilot when instructed to shut down the throttles he only reduced it a bit the pilot then told him all the way at witch point he panicked and went to full power instead the rest is history

Ooops....

Hmm then if this is correct they are "nailed" good and proper. Oh I think your story is BS from your formatting and you "just made it up" also mate.

[Merritt]

Well, the pilot in question has already appeared on pprune and said that he will tell all as soon as the 'technicalities with the CAA' are cleared up.. We will know for sure sooner or later.

Steve

[Mojocvh]

Ok Steve,

cheers

GR.

[Invisible man]

Merritt said:

Well, the pilot in question has already appeared on pprune and said that he will tell all as soon as the 'technicalities with the CAA' are cleared up.. We will know for sure sooner or later.

Steve

he sounds confident doesn't he....keep us posted

[Craig@CMR]

Invisible man said:

Merritt said:

Well, the pilot in question has already appeared on pprune and said that he will tell all as soon as the 'technicalities with the CAA' are cleared up.. We will know for sure sooner or later.

Steve

he sounds confident doesn't he....keep us posted

iirc the technicalities were actually with the plane, not with the caa, something along the lines of once the tecnical issues with the plane are investigated.

[FourWheelDrift]

This is one I'd like to see..........carry on a bit more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyf_4k7da-w

Love all the car alarms going off after

[Invisible man]

FourWheelDrift said:

This is one I'd like to see..........carry on a bit more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyf_4k7da-w

Love all the car alarms going off after

don't.....it's criminal that you have to go to SA to see a British icon fly

[Eric Mc]

Interesting chat last night with an ex Handley Page chap. I asked about the Victor incident. He had a picture in his possession and said, "Note the position of the flaps".

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3507199339_b5e...

[Invisible man]

I think that the flaps being in take off position was mentioned on PPRUNE

[Eric Mc]

It certainly sounds like a major cause.

The chap I was talking too is quite elderly now and not an avid internet user. He hadn't heard of the PPRUNE website when I mentioned it to him. I guess he worked out what was wrong by looking at the pictures he'd seen - as he knew the Victor intimately.

He also mentioned that the Victor has a rearward bias to its centre of gravity which will encourage the nose to pitch up, even with a slight bounce on the nose wheel. He said that fast taxi runs should normally be undertaken with the C of G set as far forward as possible and with the flaps fully retracted.

Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 12th May 08:35