How did WW2 planes communicate with the Ground?

How did WW2 planes communicate with the Ground?

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Marcellus

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Please settle a discussion, did they use; voice comms or morse code?

6655321

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Marcellus said:
Please settle a discussion, did they use; voice comms or morse code?
Voice comms, I believe, as well as morse.

Marcellus

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6655321 said:
Marcellus said:
Please settle a discussion, did they use; voice comms or morse code?
Voice comms, I believe, as well as morse.
noooo surely not both.... surely an either or........ or was it the radio operators choice???

6655321

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Marcellus said:
6655321 said:
Marcellus said:
Please settle a discussion, did they use; voice comms or morse code?
Voice comms, I believe, as well as morse.
noooo surely not both.... surely an either or........ or was it the radio operators choice???
As far as I remember from documentaries, etc, they used morse occasionally when in big bombers that may have a radio operator, whereas fighters, etc, used voice.

(Eric will be along shortly to berate us anyway, and tell us they used semaphore)

Dr Jekyll

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Friday 30th October 2009
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When 617 squadron busted some dams they sent the codeword back using morse. But perhaps that was to avoid offending people ;-)

I can't imagine the pilot of a single seater using morse though.

Eric Mc

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Both.

By WW2 short range fighters were using VHF voice communication for talking between themselves and the ground.

On longer range bombing and transport flights, Morse Code was generally used transmitting on Medium Wave and Short Wave frequencies.

Morse transmissions were discontinued in the 1950s as voice radio comms got better.

On outward bound segments of fighter bomber or heavy bomber missions, radio silence was maintained all the way to the target with no communications at all between the aircraft. Even on the airfields, take off clearance was given by changing the Alldis lamp from red to green.

Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 30th October 20:32

6655321

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Both.

By WW2 short range fighters were using VHF voice communication for talking between themselves and the ground.

On longer range bombing and transport flights, Morse Code was generally used transmitting on Medium Wave and Short Wave frequencies.

Morse transmissions were discontinued in the 1950s as voice radio comms got better.

On outward bound segments of fighter bomber or heavy bomber missions, radio silence was maintained all the way to the target with no communications at all between the aircraft. Even on the airfields, take off clearance was given by changing the Alldis lamp from red to green.

Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 30th October 20:32
Woooohoooo! woohoo Does this mean I was right? Does it, Eric? Was I right? hehe

Eric Mc

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Friday 30th October 2009
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6655321 said:
Eric Mc said:
Both.

By WW2 short range fighters were using VHF voice communication for talking between themselves and the ground.

On longer range bombing and transport flights, Morse Code was generally used transmitting on Medium Wave and Short Wave frequencies.

Morse transmissions were discontinued in the 1950s as voice radio comms got better.

On outward bound segments of fighter bomber or heavy bomber missions, radio silence was maintained all the way to the target with no communications at all between the aircraft. Even on the airfields, take off clearance was given by changing the Alldis lamp from red to green.

Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 30th October 20:32
Woooohoooo! woohoo Does this mean I was right? Does it, Eric? Was I right? hehe
Yes.

Take a bow smile

6655321

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Ginetta G15 Girl

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Dr Jekyll said:
I can't imagine the pilot of a single seater using morse though.
Spitfires were fitted with something called a 'Signalling Switchbox' which was basically a morse key, albeit it was used to send morse via the ident lights just aft of the radio mast and in the belly beneath the wings.

It's arrowed in this picture of (what I believe to be) a MkV:




williamp

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Of course, Bomber pilots who looked like Daved Niven could use voice to communicate:

Broadsword calling Danny Boy...

6655321

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williamp said:
Of course, Bomber pilots who looked like Daved Niven could use voice to communicate:

Broadsword calling Danny Boy...
That was Richard Burton wink

williamp

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Friday 30th October 2009
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6655321 said:
williamp said:
Of course, Bomber pilots who looked like Daved Niven could use voice to communicate:

Broadsword calling Danny Boy...
That was Richard Burton wink
Yes I know that now. The film I was thinking abot was "A matter of life and death".

Getting my films mixed up as usual... Oh well, as Telly Savellas said in Battle of Britain onboard the Mosquito with the Autralian accent: "Crickey. This is bloody dangerous...."

The Hypno-Toad

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Friday 30th October 2009
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They use radios and this and that, don't they? I mean word, isn't it.

No way I'm learning morse blood cos like thats numbers and st. And that gives me migraines and that, I've got a note and everything. Innit? Innit? Word. Harsh.

Dr Jekyll

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Friday 30th October 2009
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"Talk to the guns, 'cos the cockpit ain't listening."

Marcellus

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Friday 30th October 2009
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As always PH has the answer.. thank you all!!

eharding

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Friday 30th October 2009
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The Hypno-Toad said:
They use radios and this and that, don't they? I mean word, isn't it.

No way I'm learning morse blood cos like thats numbers and st. And that gives me migraines and that, I've got a note and everything. Innit? Innit? Word. Harsh.
Yeah but no but yeah but no but them NDBs and VORs an' stuff still use morse idents. Respec'

Caruso

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Friday 30th October 2009
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The Hypno-Toad said:
They use radios and this and that, don't they? I mean word, isn't it.

No way I'm learning morse blood cos like thats numbers and st. And that gives me migraines and that, I've got a note and everything. Innit? Innit? Word. Harsh.
rofl It's on shortly!

Simpo Two

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Friday 30th October 2009
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That's like so unfair, I forgot to watch it?

Caruso

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Friday 30th October 2009
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Simpo Two said:
That's like so unfair, I forgot to watch it?
BBC Iplayer though, innit.