super yachts 60million+
Discussion
I saw Maltese Falcon absolutely creaming along downwind under full sail in a Bora in Croatia, never forget it, bloody amazing.
Having seen it working I really like the Dynarig, not quite sure about the Pearls black sails yet although they are growing on me. I love the whole concept of the yacht though, it's the future for sure.
Having seen it working I really like the Dynarig, not quite sure about the Pearls black sails yet although they are growing on me. I love the whole concept of the yacht though, it's the future for sure.
Guvernator said:
Somehow the looks are trying to grow on me. I guess my brain is programmed to think of sail boats differently and it's slowly coming round to the idea of a modern sailboat.
Speaking of which I'm assuming Black Pearl will pitch over at some quite wild angles when at full sail, is there anything done to counter this at all? Also seeing as it's sort of a sailboat cum luxury yacht, just how comfortable is it for passengers when it's tilted over at full sail? Could I still sit down for afternoon tea comfortably for instance?
I know on the Volvo Ocean Race 65s they make use of a canting keel and pump water used as ballast from one side of the boat to the other to counter act the boat heeling to much as this impacts performance. I wonder if any of the performance oriented super yachts are using a similar system? Although I'd imagine it'd all be electric rather than human powered via the grinders. Speaking of which I'm assuming Black Pearl will pitch over at some quite wild angles when at full sail, is there anything done to counter this at all? Also seeing as it's sort of a sailboat cum luxury yacht, just how comfortable is it for passengers when it's tilted over at full sail? Could I still sit down for afternoon tea comfortably for instance?
tankplanker said:
know on the Volvo Ocean Race 65s they make use of a canting keel and pump water used as ballast from one side of the boat to the other to counter act the boat heeling to much as this impacts performance. I wonder if any of the performance oriented super yachts are using a similar system? Although I'd imagine it'd all be electric rather than human powered via the grinders.
Depends how you define 'super yacht' and 'performance orientated'... Rambler has a canting keel, and has won pretty much everything she's entered, breaking numerous records along the way... but she's 'only 88ft' and an out and out race boat. Some of the Wally cruiser/racers have canting keels (c.100ft in length).VOR65's canting keel is run by hydraulics and pumpable ballast by electric pumps... both powered by by the engine (all push button - no grinding required).
Chris Stott said:
Depends how you define 'super yacht' and 'performance orientated'... Rambler has a canting keel, and has won pretty much everything she's entered, breaking numerous records along the way... but she's 'only 88ft' and an out and out race boat. Some of the Wally cruiser/racers have canting keels (c.100ft in length).
VOR65's canting keel is run by hydraulics and pumpable ballast by electric pumps... both powered by by the engine (all push button - no grinding required).
I'd stick with the thread title's requirement for super yacht, anything that cost more than £60m.VOR65's canting keel is run by hydraulics and pumpable ballast by electric pumps... both powered by by the engine (all push button - no grinding required).
I didn't realise they were allowed to use the engine to power the hydraulics for the keel and ballast pumps, I knew they could use it for charging the batteries during the race.
taconkplanker said:
'd stick with the thread title's requirement for super yacht, anything that cost more than £60m.
I didn't realise they were allowed to use the engine to power the hydraulics for the keel and ballast pumps, I knew they could use it for charging the batteries during the race.
There aren't too many sail powered yachts that cost >60m... and those that did cost 60m aren't built for 'performance' (well, not racing levels of performance). I didn't realise they were allowed to use the engine to power the hydraulics for the keel and ballast pumps, I knew they could use it for charging the batteries during the race.
AFAIK, it's only the America's Cup type boats that require the power to be generated by humans. On off shore racing boats such as VORs & IMOCAs, the keel, ballast and foils are engine driven.
Chris Stott said:
There aren't too many sail powered yachts that cost >60m... and those that did cost 60m aren't built for 'performance' (well, not racing levels of performance).
In theory it would also reduce the amount of heel even at non racing speeds, which should result in an improvement in passenger comfort, something desirable and the extra cost/complexity not an issue for a money no object boat sailed by a pro crew? tankplanker said:
n theory it would also reduce the amount of heel even at non racing speeds, which should result in an improvement in passenger comfort, something desirable and the extra cost/complexity not an issue for a money no object boat sailed by a pro crew?
Yes, it would. Does Black Pearl have a lifting keel? It's tender(s) will get a lot of use if not as I expect the draft will be a big number!
No. Its a fixed keel. The 3 x masts are bedded 10 meters in to the hull on the centre line so there would be nowhere to retract it too. Under full sail she does lean over quite a way but with a 15 meter beam is is quite stable. Don't forget the yacht is 106 meters in length and ways close to 3000 gross tonnes so reaching the kind of speeds that we do is a phenomenal achievement.
On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
Speculatore said:
No. Its a fixed keel. The 3 x masts are bedded 10 meters in to the hull on the centre line so there would be nowhere to retract it too. Under full sail she does lean over quite a way but with a 15 meter beam is is quite stable. Don't forget the yacht is 106 meters in length and ways close to 3000 gross tonnes so reaching the kind of speeds that we do is a phenomenal achievement.
On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
The numbers are mind boggling... 15m beam, 106m length, 3,000gt... that's a lot of momentum at 20knts.On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
Speculatore said:
No. Its a fixed keel. The 3 x masts are bedded 10 meters in to the hull on the centre line so there would be nowhere to retract it too. Under full sail she does lean over quite a way but with a 15 meter beam is is quite stable. Don't forget the yacht is 106 meters in length and ways close to 3000 gross tonnes so reaching the kind of speeds that we do is a phenomenal achievement.
On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
I certainly don't mean to come across as critical or negative. I'm more interested in what will be next, as a proportion of the customer base for this sort of boat always wants something bigger/better/faster than what everybody else already has as a key design point.On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
Foiling will be the next big thing in non racing boats, once it can be made safer and easier to achieve and maintain lift off. At some mythical point in the future when we get foiling on a large cruising yacht imagine the speeds we'll see!
Chris Stott said:
Speculatore said:
No. Its a fixed keel. The 3 x masts are bedded 10 meters in to the hull on the centre line so there would be nowhere to retract it too. Under full sail she does lean over quite a way but with a 15 meter beam is is quite stable. Don't forget the yacht is 106 meters in length and ways close to 3000 gross tonnes so reaching the kind of speeds that we do is a phenomenal achievement.
On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
The numbers are mind boggling... 15m beam, 106m length, 3,000gt... that's a lot of momentum at 20knts.On the trip down to Gibraltar we regenerated our own power under sail to run the vessel for 26 people for a 24 hour period (laundry, galley, air conditioning systems plus all other services) without starting any of the diesels or main engines. With the right wind conditions we could sail across the Atlantic using zero fuel.
But fantastic engineering nonetheless.
Quick googling suggests a draft of less than 4m - surprisingly little, is this right Speculatore? If so those batteries must be heavy lumps.
LimaDelta said:
A common misconception, 3000 gross tonnage is not a measure of weight but of internal volume. She will weigh considerably less than that.
But fantastic engineering nonetheless.
Quick googling suggests a draft of less than 4m - surprisingly little, is this right Speculatore? If so those batteries must be heavy lumps.
Yes, of course, my error.But fantastic engineering nonetheless.
Quick googling suggests a draft of less than 4m - surprisingly little, is this right Speculatore? If so those batteries must be heavy lumps.
Says 7m (of which 4m is keel) in this article...
https://beam.land/yachts/black-pearl-the-story-beh...
That's pretty shallow for something so big... a 100ft Swan has a draft of c.6m.
Chris Stott said:
Foiling super yachts?
Would take some pretty amazing advances in technology, and the foils would need to be huge.
Even on IMOCA's and VOR's (c.60ft, and very light/fast), the foils don't lift the boat out of the water.
The next generation of the America's Cup boats will be foiling mono hulls that will lift the boat out of the water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2qG_YMrDsWould take some pretty amazing advances in technology, and the foils would need to be huge.
Even on IMOCA's and VOR's (c.60ft, and very light/fast), the foils don't lift the boat out of the water.
While it won't be in the immediate future I'd expect it to filter down at some point in.
tankplanker said:
Chris Stott said:
Foiling super yachts?
Would take some pretty amazing advances in technology, and the foils would need to be huge.
Even on IMOCA's and VOR's (c.60ft, and very light/fast), the foils don't lift the boat out of the water.
The next generation of the America's Cup boats will be foiling mono hulls that will lift the boat out of the water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2qG_YMrDsWould take some pretty amazing advances in technology, and the foils would need to be huge.
Even on IMOCA's and VOR's (c.60ft, and very light/fast), the foils don't lift the boat out of the water.
While it won't be in the immediate future I'd expect it to filter down at some point in.
Steve
Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff