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Lady Lara ($160m) and Maltese Falcon ($100m) both in Ibiza last week.
The Lady Lara had about 6 very high powered jet skis in the back and they were incredibly quick across the water, she was moored up in one of the bays later on. Saw the Falcon slip her berth out of port and it was so smooth and barely looked like it was moving across the water.
Both spectacular works of art, but the Falcon was something a bit different and by far my favourite.
Lady Lara
Maltese Falcon
The Lady Lara had about 6 very high powered jet skis in the back and they were incredibly quick across the water, she was moored up in one of the bays later on. Saw the Falcon slip her berth out of port and it was so smooth and barely looked like it was moving across the water.
Both spectacular works of art, but the Falcon was something a bit different and by far my favourite.
Lady Lara
Maltese Falcon
As for cheap boating - my £500 ebay bargin is cheap boating. 
Lives in the back garden, insurance is £50 a year, and fuel costs about £10 a day. Admittedly it would be nice to have more than 5hp, but a bigger engine will cost more than what the boat cost in the first place!! Still, gets me onto the water and from pub to pub down the canals or at sea to enjoy the sunshine.
Lives in the back garden, insurance is £50 a year, and fuel costs about £10 a day. Admittedly it would be nice to have more than 5hp, but a bigger engine will cost more than what the boat cost in the first place!! Still, gets me onto the water and from pub to pub down the canals or at sea to enjoy the sunshine.
ecsrobin said:
I think this qualifies for this thread. Currently moored at gunwharf Portsmouth Amaryliss
Can anyone supply a drg showing the main areas of mass on a yacht such as this? With the superstructure and engines all biased toward the rear how do they balance it out? If the answer is to add a load of ballast I will be disappointed. shirt said:
Can anyone supply a drg showing the main areas of mass on a yacht such as this? With the superstructure and engines all biased toward the rear how do they balance it out? If the answer is to add a load of ballast I will be disappointed.
Compared to the engines, generators, fuel tanks and water tanks and other heavy stuff kept low down, the superstructure is 95% fresh air, so it's nowhere near as heavy as its visual bulk would suggest.Like putting a shed on top of a range rover (or some other stupid analogy), the difference it makes to the weight distribution is much much less than its appearance would suggest.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Monday 2nd July 15:31
blueg33 said:
I haven't yet come across a form of sailing/boating that is cheap
Being free crew on race weekends at your local yacht club? Instructor? Paid crew on a boat? Delivery crew? Paying for the fuel on a big motor cruiser (even ones much smaller than this thread's criteria) seem ruinously expensive compared to what I would pay as a yachtie.
tankplanker said:
blueg33 said:
I haven't yet come across a form of sailing/boating that is cheap
Being free crew on race weekends at your local yacht club? Instructor? Paid crew on a boat? Delivery crew? Paying for the fuel on a big motor cruiser (even ones much smaller than this thread's criteria) seem ruinously expensive compared to what I would pay as a yachtie.
Sea conditions are forecast to be kind for 4 days in that region, so on a 20-25kt “economical” cruise, probably about 5 hours running for the two way return and would estimate to chew through about 300-350 quid of fuel. It is £1.50+ at marina pumps unfortunately versus a bit of a slog carting Jerry cans from Tesco’s for 90 gallons!
We will also have some mooring fees the other end as we may stay over 2 or 3 nights and potter around the Jurassic coast a bit and/or throw the hook at Bournemouth beach - yes, more fuel
And that is just a little 26foot sportscruiser running a single 350Magnum V8 petrol and a Bravo 3 leg. Probably about 2 miles to the gallon on average plus marine priced servicing every 100 running hours.
PW said:
shirt said:
Can anyone supply a drg showing the main areas of mass on a yacht such as this? With the superstructure and engines all biased toward the rear how do they balance it out? If the answer is to add a load of ballast I will be disappointed.
The mystical world of naval architecture - they balance the weight with the buoyancy of the hull.Basally, floaty ball in middle, pointy bits at either end, stuff all the heavy stuff in the middle and low down, make superstructure of aluminum and air, curse an Arab client that wants his owners stateroom on the upper deck to be made of Marble, Gold and Dark Matter.
As already said, much of the mass is very low down and central, i.e. main propulsion plant, fresh water tanks, fuel tanks etc. The hull is steel construction and on larger vessels the accommodation decks will be aluminium, which significantly reduces their weight.
Interestingly - regarding the marble comment above, the original design concepts for the Grand Princess has Skywalkers nightclub with a marble deck (It's the handle of the shopping trolley). This obviously was changed at build.
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Later designs moved the club further forward and lower down. (Though this was actually more to do with the shade cast on the aft decks rather than any stability issues)
This is also the reason the swimming pools on are dumped at the first sign of bad weather as they represent a large amount of mass (and free-surface) up top.
Yachts obviously have nowhere near the air draft of these big cruise ships but the concept is the same. Keep the weight down low and central.
Have a look here for an explanation of Metacentric Height
Interestingly - regarding the marble comment above, the original design concepts for the Grand Princess has Skywalkers nightclub with a marble deck (It's the handle of the shopping trolley). This obviously was changed at build.
Later designs moved the club further forward and lower down. (Though this was actually more to do with the shade cast on the aft decks rather than any stability issues)
This is also the reason the swimming pools on are dumped at the first sign of bad weather as they represent a large amount of mass (and free-surface) up top.
Yachts obviously have nowhere near the air draft of these big cruise ships but the concept is the same. Keep the weight down low and central.
Have a look here for an explanation of Metacentric Height
LimaDelta said:
As already said, much of the mass is very low down and central, i.e. main propulsion plant, fresh water tanks, fuel tanks etc. The hull is steel construction and on larger vessels the accommodation decks will be aluminium, which significantly reduces their weight.
Interestingly - regarding the marble comment above, the original design concepts for the Grand Princess has Skywalkers nightclub with a marble deck (It's the handle of the shopping trolley). This obviously was changed at build.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ7regGAyU8/UsWHJlyULLI/...
Later designs moved the club further forward and lower down. (Though this was actually more to do with the shade cast on the aft decks rather than any stability issues)
This is also the reason the swimming pools on are dumped at the first sign of bad weather as they represent a large amount of mass (and free-surface) up top.
Yachts obviously have nowhere near the air draft of these big cruise ships but the concept is the same. Keep the weight down low and central.
Have a look here for an explanation of Metacentric Height
Fascinating stuff, I bet it's a real headache when chasing that last smidge of luxury.Interestingly - regarding the marble comment above, the original design concepts for the Grand Princess has Skywalkers nightclub with a marble deck (It's the handle of the shopping trolley). This obviously was changed at build.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ7regGAyU8/UsWHJlyULLI/...
Later designs moved the club further forward and lower down. (Though this was actually more to do with the shade cast on the aft decks rather than any stability issues)
This is also the reason the swimming pools on are dumped at the first sign of bad weather as they represent a large amount of mass (and free-surface) up top.
Yachts obviously have nowhere near the air draft of these big cruise ships but the concept is the same. Keep the weight down low and central.
Have a look here for an explanation of Metacentric Height
I was on MV Britannia a couple of years ago, one of the swabbies claimed they could pump the pools down to the engineering/storage decks ready for rough weather, for lighter swells they had some baffles.
Krikkit said:
Fascinating stuff, I bet it's a real headache when chasing that last smidge of luxury.
I was on MV Britannia a couple of years ago, one of the swabbies claimed they could pump the pools down to the engineering/storage decks ready for rough weather, for lighter swells they had some baffles.
when 1 cubic meter of water is effectively 1 ton, it makes a hell of a difference if you can move the contents of your pool from 3 meters above the waterline to 1 meter below ... plus in a roll, water in a pool has quite a lot of momentum I was on MV Britannia a couple of years ago, one of the swabbies claimed they could pump the pools down to the engineering/storage decks ready for rough weather, for lighter swells they had some baffles.
(it was the water sloshing around from side to side on the car deck of the Herald of Free Enterprise after the bow doors were left open that caused her to roll over.) tight fart said:
Just past the end of my toes at the moment is the super yacht Ace, and it's supply ship Garcon. (67m)
I registered, delivered and managed those two from delivery for the first 18 months. ACE built by Lurssen and Garcon by Damen/Amels. Both registered within 3 months of each other in different yards in different countries under different Flag States...… Great fun....Speculatore said:
tight fart said:
Just past the end of my toes at the moment is the super yacht Ace, and it's supply ship Garcon. (67m)
I registered, delivered and managed those two from delivery for the first 18 months. ACE built by Lurssen and Garcon by Damen/Amels. Both registered within 3 months of each other in different yards in different countries under different Flag States...… Great fun....Burwood said:
Speculatore said:
tight fart said:
Just past the end of my toes at the moment is the super yacht Ace, and it's supply ship Garcon. (67m)
I registered, delivered and managed those two from delivery for the first 18 months. ACE built by Lurssen and Garcon by Damen/Amels. Both registered within 3 months of each other in different yards in different countries under different Flag States...… Great fun....Speculatore said:
Burwood said:
Speculatore said:
tight fart said:
Just past the end of my toes at the moment is the super yacht Ace, and it's supply ship Garcon. (67m)
I registered, delivered and managed those two from delivery for the first 18 months. ACE built by Lurssen and Garcon by Damen/Amels. Both registered within 3 months of each other in different yards in different countries under different Flag States...… Great fun....Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff