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Thanks, I've only been doing this 19 years.RevsPerMinute said:
I know the owners of SY A won't really care, but that would certainly fail our work standards as a falling from height risk. No harness, anchorage, connection device of any kind. I might report him to my head of H&S out of principle.
(or I'll just carry on eating my cheese 'n' pickle sandwich from my desk in my open plan office, waiting until 5pm, dreaming of such a lifestyle...)
L500 said:
RevsPerMinute said:
I know the owners of SY A won't really care, but that would certainly fail our work standards as a falling from height risk. No harness, anchorage, connection device of any kind. I might report him to my head of H&S out of principle.
(or I'll just carry on eating my cheese 'n' pickle sandwich from my desk in my open plan office, waiting until 5pm, dreaming of such a lifestyle...)
Speculatore said:
Makes my 44 years look sad then...... Just responding to your comment "no need to go through the whole process every time the guys wash down"
Just out of curiosity, how many of those 44 have been as bona fide yacht crew? Reading a lot of your contributions to this thread you come across more as shoreside management than crew. I seem to remember you are ex-RN aren’t you? Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest but 5 minutes to tick some boxes and sign a PTW is hardly a ‘process’. Every yacht I’ve ever been on has done the same for washing down, regardless of the intricacies of the design. Edited by Speculatore on Thursday 11th July 12:16
LimaDelta said:
Speculatore said:
Makes my 44 years look sad then...... Just responding to your comment "no need to go through the whole process every time the guys wash down"
Just out of curiosity, how many of those 44 have been as bona fide yacht crew? Reading a lot of your contributions to this thread you come across more as shoreside management than crew. I seem to remember you are ex-RN aren’t you? Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest but 5 minutes to tick some boxes and sign a PTW is hardly a ‘process’. Every yacht I’ve ever been on has done the same for washing down, regardless of the intricacies of the design. Edited by Speculatore on Thursday 11th July 12:16
Working at sea in the deck department as a 'worker' then supervisor around 25 years. (Crew on warships work over the side as well). 2 years as the Safety and Security Manager for Carnival UK then 7 years in the yacht industry as the Head of Compliance for 2 large yacht companies. Have written the SMS, Safety procedures, Risk assessments, checklists, Permits to work and SOPs and delivered 5 yachts over 80 meters and now responsible for 3 yachts at 110, 106 and 78 and meters. Have had various articles on crew safety published by Dockwalk, Superyacht news, Boat international Superyacht design report and been a panel member at the Global Superyacht Forum and Superyacht design week on yacht design and crew safety.
As you say this is not a 'Pissing Contest' and we are each no doubt very good at what we both do for a living. My issue was that the exterior of the yacht in the original thread would be a nightmare to keep clean and would require plenty of 'Safety Measures' to be put in place in order for the task to be carried out safely. My aim is for designers to take crew safety in to account when designing yachts and actually involve people like yourself with years of experience in the industry.
We both want the same thing.. Safe operations and looking after the safety and welfare of the crew.
Speculatore said:
LimaDelta said:
Speculatore said:
Makes my 44 years look sad then...... Just responding to your comment "no need to go through the whole process every time the guys wash down"
Just out of curiosity, how many of those 44 have been as bona fide yacht crew? Reading a lot of your contributions to this thread you come across more as shoreside management than crew. I seem to remember you are ex-RN aren’t you? Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest but 5 minutes to tick some boxes and sign a PTW is hardly a ‘process’. Every yacht I’ve ever been on has done the same for washing down, regardless of the intricacies of the design. Edited by Speculatore on Thursday 11th July 12:16
Working at sea in the deck department as a 'worker' then supervisor around 25 years. (Crew on warships work over the side as well). 2 years as the Safety and Security Manager for Carnival UK then 7 years in the yacht industry as the Head of Compliance for 2 large yacht companies. Have written the SMS, Safety procedures, Risk assessments, checklists, Permits to work and SOPs and delivered 5 yachts over 80 meters and now responsible for 3 yachts at 110, 106 and 78 and meters. Have had various articles on crew safety published by Dockwalk, Superyacht news, Boat international Superyacht design report and been a panel member at the Global Superyacht Forum and Superyacht design week on yacht design and crew safety.
As you say this is not a 'Pissing Contest' and we are each no doubt very good at what we both do for a living. My issue was that the exterior of the yacht in the original thread would be a nightmare to keep clean and would require plenty of 'Safety Measures' to be put in place in order for the task to be carried out safely. My aim is for designers to take crew safety in to account when designing yachts and actually involve people like yourself with years of experience in the industry.
We both want the same thing.. Safe operations and looking after the safety and welfare of the crew.
LimaDelta said:
Just out of curiosity, how many of those 44 have been as bona fide yacht crew? Reading a lot of your contributions to this thread you come across more as shoreside management than crew. I seem to remember you are ex-RN aren’t you? Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest but 5 minutes to tick some boxes and sign a PTW is hardly a ‘process’. Every yacht I’ve ever been on has done the same for washing down, regardless of the intricacies of the design.
Not going to get dragged in too much but i am on the side of Speculatore. "5 minutes to tick some boxes and sign a PTW is hardly a process", yep you are right but what you need to understand a "process" was there. How any safety process is excuted no matter how good is down to the individual(s). Its an old age dragged out scenario but Piper Alpha is used as a good example on safety courses. There was a process in place at the time, a form of PTW was used, people knew the procedure, safety systems were incorporated (well sort of!) and it was down to individuals to implement it....which they did not correctly. The industry was shaken up after that which resulted in a massive overhaul but what does escape is those industries that may not be comercial but using Superyachts as an example, slips under the radar. Something that is done routinely, is not out of the ordinary and does not require specific measures in place sometimes can escape a PTW process or even the need of a Risk Assessment. But in its place has to be training, procedures and supervision. So "cleaning outside windows on a yacht" some may think needs a bucket, sponge and a harness. But did anyone check the harness the last time it was dropped in the water or that fray on the buckle that has always been there?
Ive recently joined a company dealing with hazardous activity. I did a internal safety audit after our paid-for external one came round before i joined. A lot of what i found was risks occuring in those every day jobs that no one thought would go wrong.
Trust me, years ago i never wore a hard hat, yellow stupid vest or read a risk assesment but having seen good people injured and in 1 case die, i tend to make make sure me and everyone else i work with at least is aware of measures to make sure they go home at night.
PW said:
"Hey, you guys, go 70m up the masts and wave at the helicopter!"
Eeek - our boat had a 17 metre mast and that was pretty scary up at the top in the bosuns chair. Even more so at sea, its amazing how far the top of the mast moves out over the sea rather than the hull with any heel or rolling.Anyone watch the Sunseeker documentary last night?
Sorry to say, but it left me with the impression that all involved, from sales to execs, clients and crew came across as total arses. Sort of folk I’d swim through shark infested waters to get away from (“Marlene!!!”).
I’m sure not all in the industry are like that, but god these things attract a certain ‘type’ it would seem.
Sorry to say, but it left me with the impression that all involved, from sales to execs, clients and crew came across as total arses. Sort of folk I’d swim through shark infested waters to get away from (“Marlene!!!”).
I’m sure not all in the industry are like that, but god these things attract a certain ‘type’ it would seem.
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