super yachts 60million+

[blueg33]

Chris Stott said:

Speculatore said:

Black Pearl is effectively a large J-Class so built for speed.

How is Black Pearl anything like a J? Even ignoring the aesthetics (J's are the most beautiful and graceful things afloat... whilst imposing and a fabulously impressive piece of boat building, I doubt anyone would use either of those words to describe Black Pearl), where are the similarities? The hull shape, rigs and top sides are all completely different.

Agree

J- class



Black Pearl



The only similarity is that they are both big sailing boats

[Burwood]

That bottom shot is spectacular.

[paulguitar]

Burwood said:

That bottom shot is spectacular.

For a moment I thought I was reading one of Dogstar's comments on the 'Council' thread.

[Speculatore]

Chris Stott said:

Speculatore said:

Black Pearl is effectively a large J-Class so built for speed.

How is Black Pearl anything like a J? Even ignoring the aesthetics (J's are the most beautiful and graceful things afloat... whilst imposing and a fabulously impressive piece of boat building, I doubt anyone would use either of those words to describe Black Pearl), where are the similarities? The hull shape, rigs and top sides are all completely different.

Discounting the v shaped bow, which was added later during build to improve performance, if you sliced them both off at the waterline and looked at a plan view they are almost identical. I was refering to the Hull shape and not the above water appearance or rigging...

[Speculatore]

Burwood said:

That bottom shot is spectacular.

I like this one.

[h0b0]

I think the Black Pearl photo graphs very well and appreciate the owner for having the budget and the balls to go through with it.

But.........

Some angles can be unflattering and remind me of an older super yacht without sails

[Petrus1983]

Speculatore said:

popeyewhite said:

Petrus1983 said:

It’s hard to envisage the size of Black Pearl until you see it alongside a ‘normal’ fair sized sailing yacht -
Stunning.

It looks a lot better under sail. Otherwise a bit hmmm.

Oh... I don't know... I think she is beautiful but of course I am biased....

I too also find it quite stunning with and without sails.

I’ve seen a video of the sails being ‘raised’ for want of a better word - what is the system - a form of in mast reefing?

You’re very fortunate to be attached to such a beauty!

[Burwood]

Speculatore said:

Burwood said:

That bottom shot is spectacular.

I like this one.

Topaz boys giving it that mirror shine

[NickCQ]

Speculatore said:

Discounting the v shaped bow, which was added later during build to improve performance, if you sliced them both off at the waterline and looked at a plan view they are almost identical. I was refering to the Hull shape and not the above water appearance or rigging...

The whole point of the J hull form with long overhangs is to increase effective waterline when heeled within the confines of the rule. Makes no sense to separate above and below the waterline as you suggest.

Also I presume Black Pearl has the usual lift keel and separate rudder rather than long keel w/ integrated rudder?? I really don't see the similarity.

[XJSJohn]

NickCQ said:

Speculatore said:

Discounting the v shaped bow, which was added later during build to improve performance, if you sliced them both off at the waterline and looked at a plan view they are almost identical. I was refering to the Hull shape and not the above water appearance or rigging...

The whole point of the J hull form with long overhangs is to increase effective waterline when heeled within the confines of the rule. Makes no sense to separate above and below the waterline as you suggest.

Also I presume Black Pearl has the usual lift keel and separate rudder rather than long keel w/ integrated rudder?? I really don't see the similarity.

Black Pearl




Velaheda my mistake, that’s Rainbow



Both fantastic yachts built for different purposes (gentleman’s toy aside)

[kowalski655]

mini me said:

Just watched this rock up and anchor off the coast at Southend of all places. Bit odd. Long way out so couldn’t get a decent pic. Looks nice though. Interesting back story too....






Sorry looks like I was late to the party. ‘Twas already posted. Why the feck, if you owned that, would you want to be anywhere near this hole is beyond me mind....

Edited by mini me on Monday 24th August 20:40

Same for Greenock, saw a massive mast over a wall, seems its Hyperion

Looks much better at sea!

[Speculatore]

NickCQ said:

Speculatore said:

Discounting the v shaped bow, which was added later during build to improve performance, if you sliced them both off at the waterline and looked at a plan view they are almost identical. I was refering to the Hull shape and not the above water appearance or rigging...

The whole point of the J hull form with long overhangs is to increase effective waterline when heeled within the confines of the rule. Makes no sense to separate above and below the waterline as you suggest.

Also I presume Black Pearl has the usual lift keel and separate rudder rather than long keel w/ integrated rudder?? I really don't see the similarity.

No... Fixed keel. OK... Absolutly no similarity to a J-Craft and the naval Architects and designers didn't model the hull on one...

[ecsrobin]

Speculatore said:

No... Fixed keel. OK... Absolutly no similarity to a J-Craft and the naval Architects and designers didn't model the hull on one...

The only similarity is they both float!

I think it’s a great yacht but I don’t think anyone would ever link a J to black Pearl. Maybe the architects and designers modelled it on the fact the J’s had fixed keels?

[TheJimi]

Eh, fairly sure that Speculatore was very close to the build.

Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 27th August 22:30

[Burwood]

He manages the yacht

[CAPP0]

ecsrobin said:

Whilst it’s not in the £60+ gang I stumbled across this the other day whilst staring at their tenders and yachts.



https://spirityachts.com/power-yachts/the-royale/

So I’ve purchased my euromillions ticket!

Here’s the yacht that caused me to take a look at their website: https://youtu.be/42FIyhCDDB4

That's lovely. Hopefully this will end up looking more like that in the future.

[PushedDover]

Burwood said:

He manages the yacht

However fantastic the Yacht is, the association to the J’s is at best a stretch.

[NickCQ]

Speculatore said:

No... Fixed keel. OK... Absolutly no similarity to a J-Craft and the naval Architects and designers didn't model the hull on one...

Please tell me what I am missing - which aspect of the hull is modelled on a J Class? When I look at the lines plans I really don't see any similarity in the underwater appendages, overhangs, waterlines etc.

'Modelled on a J Class' feels like a marketing canard more than anything else.

[popeyewhite]

NickCQ said:

Speculatore said:

No... Fixed keel. OK... Absolutly no similarity to a J-Craft and the naval Architects and designers didn't model the hull on one...

Please tell me what I am missing - which aspect of the hull is modelled on a J Class? When I look at the lines plans I really don't see any similarity in the underwater appendages, overhangs, waterlines etc.

'Modelled on a J Class' feels like a marketing canard more than anything else.

Speculatore originally claimed that like a J Class she was built for speed. Which is true isn't it?

Speculatore said:

Black Pearl is effectively a large J-Class so built for speed.

[NickCQ]

popeyewhite said:

Speculatore originally claimed that like a J Class she was built for speed. Which is true isn't it?

Speculatore said:

Black Pearl is effectively a large J-Class so built for speed.

I think Sp is claiming that she is both a large J-Class and built for speed
My boat was also built for speed but I don't go around calling it 'effectively a small J-Class'