Russian Carrier Landing
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The videos fine but some of the other content on the site is a bit nsfw
http://www.machovideo.com/video/Very_close_call_17...
http://www.machovideo.com/video/Very_close_call_17...
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That is what happens when you lose - or never had - a tradition of catapult/arrestor-hook fast-jet naval aviation, and try to regain those skills by trial and error.
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Edited by eharding on Wednesday 3rd March 01:32
In this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
eharding said:
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Coincidentally I was reading only this morning Eric 'Winkle' Brown's account of landing a Mosquito on a carrier - he got the landing speed down to 78mph. Highly recommended book: www.amazon.co.uk/Wings-My-Sleeve-Eric-Brown/dp/075...Simpo Two said:
eharding said:
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Coincidentally I was reading only this morning Eric 'Winkle' Brown's account of landing a Mosquito on a carrier - he got the landing speed down to 78mph. Highly recommended book: www.amazon.co.uk/Wings-My-Sleeve-Eric-Brown/dp/075...
TEKNOPUG said:
Simpo Two said:
eharding said:
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Coincidentally I was reading only this morning Eric 'Winkle' Brown's account of landing a Mosquito on a carrier - he got the landing speed down to 78mph. Highly recommended book: www.amazon.co.uk/Wings-My-Sleeve-Eric-Brown/dp/075...
eharding said:
That is what happens when you lose - or never had - a tradition of catapult/arrestor-hook fast-jet naval aviation, and try to regain those skills by trial and error.
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
The FAA have always had a regular exchange of personnel with the USN; when we had catapult-equipped carriers cross-decking during joint/NATO exercises was a routine practice. Deck landing is a mix of muscle memory and intestinal fortitude; the FAA would just have to relearn it, and there are plenty of old-not-bold ex-FAA WAFUs out there to provide consultancy. I'm sure the yanks would oblige with training while we re-established a deck landing school.The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Edited by eharding on Wednesday 3rd March 01:32
My bold; the very high accident rate in that era was mostly due to operating fast heavy jets(Sea Vixen and Scimitar; in particular the Scimitar had a weird lift/drag curve which made it a cow to land) off too-small decks. Once the smaller decks were binned the accident rate plummeted. The great British inventions that are the mirror deck landing system and the angled flightdeck helped too.
Ayahuasca said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Simpo Two said:
eharding said:
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Coincidentally I was reading only this morning Eric 'Winkle' Brown's account of landing a Mosquito on a carrier - he got the landing speed down to 78mph. Highly recommended book: www.amazon.co.uk/Wings-My-Sleeve-Eric-Brown/dp/075...hidetheelephants said:
eharding said:
That is what happens when you lose - or never had - a tradition of catapult/arrestor-hook fast-jet naval aviation, and try to regain those skills by trial and error.
The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
At my recent graduation, one of the other lads who was graduating had a mate out who is a Hawk Pilot in the FAA. They both started in gliders together.The Royal Navy got out of the catapult/arrestor-hook business a long time ago, and if it were ever to try to get back into the business I hope there would be a long period when there would be US Navy LSOs standing at the back of the deck eye-balling every approach until the tradition, and skills, were re-established in the RN - otherwise we would revisit the accident rates experienced the first time round in the 1950s and 1960s.
Edited by eharding on Wednesday 3rd March 01:32
He is off to the USA later this year to get qualified on F-18, so it seems some cross pollination does, happily, still go on with the cousins.
The FAA have always had a regular exchange of personnel with the USN; when we had catapult-equipped carriers cross-decking during joint/NATO exercises was a routine practice. Deck landing is a mix of muscle memory and intestinal fortitude; the FAA would just have to relearn it, and there are plenty of old-not-bold ex-FAA WAFUs out there to provide consultancy. I'm sure the yanks would oblige with training while we re-established a deck landing school.
My bold; the very high accident rate in that era was mostly due to operating fast heavy jets(Sea Vixen and Scimitar; in particular the Scimitar had a weird lift/drag curve which made it a cow to land) off too-small decks. Once the smaller decks were binned the accident rate plummeted. The great British inventions that are the mirror deck landing system and the angled flightdeck helped too.
deevlash said:
The videos fine but some of the other content on the site is a bit nsfw
http://www.machovideo.com/video/Very_close_call_17...
http://www.machovideo.com/video/Very_close_call_17...
that looks almost impossible Eric Mc said:
Just bought a couple af 1/72 Airfix Buccaneer kits. I plan to do both in Royal Navy colours - one out of the box as an S2 and the other to convert into an S1.
If you haven't already got it, get a copy of the 1970s series 'Sailor'; fantastic footage of deck ops and lairy seventies clothing. I was inspired to apply to the Navy because of watching it(on video around 2002, I'm not old enough to have seen it on t'telly); sensible chaps didn't let me in though.Cross-decking isn't some ghey naval orgy, it's yuckspeak for landing on/taking off from other people's carriers. Not sure how popular our chaps were in the Phantom era, as the longer front undercarriage we fitted tended to cause fires on US carrier decks.
Eric Mc said:
Just bought a couple af 1/72 Airfix Buccaneer kits. I plan to do both in Royal Navy colours - one out of the box as an S2 and the other to convert into an S1.
Ha, I made an Airfix Buccaneer when I was about 10 Also a Sepecat Jaguar. Happy days.
hidetheelephants said:
the longer front undercarriage we fitted tended to cause fires on US carrier decks.
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