Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)

Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)

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LotusOmega375D

7,659 posts

154 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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A seclection from today's excellent Old Warden show. It's the first airshow I have paid to watch in a generation. 54 quid for a family of 4 with access to House and Gardens included. Perfect spot right by the fence with plenty of room for 4 chairs and picnic blanket, also close to car. No traffic queues in or out.The right crowd and no crowding. Lots to do all day. Highly recommended.


















MartG

20,700 posts

205 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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Nice pics thumbup

ceebmoj

1,898 posts

262 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
I normally let you lot have the fun of looking up the details....

It is a Bell YFM-1 Airacuda.
thanks i would never of found it

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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"I would never HAVE found it".

Sorry - a bugbear.

The Airacuda was a flop by the way.

FourWheelDrift

88,574 posts

285 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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All set for it's winter ski holiday.



Sukhoi S-26 experimental ski-equipped jet fighter.

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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Even better than Eddie the Eagle in the ski jump category smile

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd June 2018
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These would have landed on skids too -






ceebmoj

1,898 posts

262 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Eric Mc said:
"I would never HAVE found it".

Sorry - a bugbear.

The Airacuda was a flop by the way.
Thank you. Unfortunatly despite many years of effort, this is the sort of thing I'm unlikely to ever get correct.

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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ceebmoj said:
Thank you. Unfortunatly despite many years of effort, this is the sort of thing I'm unlikely to ever get correct.
Just keep trying. It can't be that hard to remember.

tight5

2,747 posts

160 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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ceebmoj said:
Eric Mc said:
"I would never HAVE found it".

Sorry - a bugbear.

The Airacuda was a flop by the way.
Thank you. Unfortunatly despite many years of effort, this is the sort of thing I'm unlikely to ever get correct.
The Airacuda was so bad it makes you wonder how anyone came up with such a terrible machine, why on earth they thought it was a good idea, and how they convinced someone to pay for it.

Has any aircraft been a complete flop in the modern era?

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
The Airacuda was so bad it makes you wonder how anyone came up with such a terrible machine, why on earth they thought it was a good idea, and how they convinced someone to pay for it.

Has any aircraft been a complete flop in the modern era?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-10


ben5575

6,296 posts

222 months

Monday 4th June 2018
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LotusOmega375D said:
A seclection from today's excellent Old Warden show. It's the first airshow I have paid to watch in a generation. 54 quid for a family of 4 with access to House and Gardens included. Perfect spot right by the fence with plenty of room for 4 chairs and picnic blanket, also close to car. No traffic queues in or out.The right crowd and no crowding. Lots to do all day. Highly recommended.

One of my 'life moments' was taxi'ing solo on to a runway when I was learning to fly and being told to hold on the keys by Tower. The next thing I know, a beautiful Corsair shot 'a few feet' over the top of my canopy, dead straight along the centre line, up into the air and into a graceful victory roll in front of me.

I will confess to it taking a little while to recover from my Empire of the Sun; Cadillac of the sky moment. Happy days cloud9

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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Dr Jekyll said:
Ayahuasca said:
The Airacuda was so bad it makes you wonder how anyone came up with such a terrible machine, why on earth they thought it was a good idea, and how they convinced someone to pay for it.

Has any aircraft been a complete flop in the modern era?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-10
Not that "modern" really.

The problem with the Airacuda was the concept. In the 1930s it was assumed that if a country was attacked by bombers, the bombers would arrive without any sort of fighter escort - because in that era a single engined fighter would not have the range to be able to accompany a bomber fleet over long distances. It was therefore a general consensus in the aviation industry that what was needed was a heavilly armed "bomber destroyer" type fighter. Such a fighter did not need to be very fast or manoeuverable. What it needed was enough firepower to knock a bomber down. As a result it would need to be heavilly armed and relatively large.

When the war actually arrived, this concept turned out to be flawed and most of these types of aeroplanes were failures in this role, although some went on to achieve some success ion other areas - such as night fighters or trainers, target tugs etc.

The Airacuda never got that far.





MartG

20,700 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Ayahuasca said:
The Airacuda was so bad it makes you wonder how anyone came up with such a terrible machine, why on earth they thought it was a good idea, and how they convinced someone to pay for it.

Has any aircraft been a complete flop in the modern era?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bede_BD-10
Not that "modern" really.

The problem with the Airacuda was the concept. In the 1930s it was assumed that if a country was attacked by bombers, the bombers would arrive without any sort of fighter escort - because in that era a single engined fighter would not have the range to be able to accompany a bomber fleet over long distances. It was therefore a general consensus in the aviation industry that what was needed was a heavilly armed "bomber destroyer" type fighter. Such a fighter did not need to be very fast or manoeuverable. What it needed was enough firepower to knock a bomber down. As a result it would need to be heavilly armed and relatively large.

When the war actually arrived, this concept turned out to be flawed and most of these types of aeroplanes were failures in this role, although some went on to achieve some success ion other areas - such as night fighters or trainers, target tugs etc.

The Airacuda never got that far.
Hence things like the BP Defiant

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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MartG said:
Hence things like the BP Defiant
Exactly - and the Messerchmitt Bf110 and the Fokker G1.





All conceived as "bomber destroyers". In the real war, it was found that bombers often did have fighter escorts and this made these "destroyer" aircraft very vulnerable.

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

215 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
Has any aircraft been a complete flop in the modern era?
Not yet, but the Textron AirLand Scorpion has been flying for approaching 5 years now and they still haven't persuaded anybody anywhere in the world to order one...?

[Will be familiar to airshow buffs who wander the static displays - there is always one parked up looking hopeful at RIAT]

Eric Mc

122,098 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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Or lurking behind containers at Farnborough.

JeremyH5

1,587 posts

136 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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DiscoColin said:
Not yet, but the Textron AirLand Scorpion has been flying for approaching 5 years now and they still haven't persuaded anybody anywhere in the world to order one...?

[Will be familiar to airshow buffs who wander the static displays - there is always one parked up looking hopeful at RIAT]
This has puzzled me for a while but I haven’t done any research to find out what’s wrong with it. It looks “right”. Can anyone enlighten me?

FourWheelDrift

88,574 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th June 2018
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JeremyH5 said:
DiscoColin said:
Not yet, but the Textron AirLand Scorpion has been flying for approaching 5 years now and they still haven't persuaded anybody anywhere in the world to order one...?

[Will be familiar to airshow buffs who wander the static displays - there is always one parked up looking hopeful at RIAT]
This has puzzled me for a while but I haven’t done any research to find out what’s wrong with it. It looks “right”. Can anyone enlighten me?
Many have got interests in it as a replacement for older aircraft.

including India who have been waiting since 2003 for their own to be ready, the HAL HJT-36 Sitara could be said to be a massive failure - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_HJT-36_Sitara
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