Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)
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Europa1 said:
MartG said:
The Soviets copied the B-29 as the Tupolev Tu-4 Bull as they needed a strategic bomber capable of reaching the United States and, for obvious reasons, the Americans refused to provide the real deal. Hence, they produced the Tu-4 by reverse engineering 3 original B-29's which had landed in Soviet territory for various reasons.
According to a documentary I saw, even the rudder pedals were cast with the word 'Boeing' on them.Dr Jekyll said:
There was a report of a Mig15 shot down in Korea that was examined by the Americans and found to have 'Rolls Royce' on an engine data plate. No one was sure whether it was reverse engineering going too far or a genuine RR engine.
When Stalin ordered you to copy something, you did exactly that 
MartG said:
A famous squadron, anyone know why? (from wiki) Upon returning from Operation Iraqi Freedom, on May 1, 2003, the squadron flew President George W. Bush on board the USS Abraham Lincoln for his "Mission Accomplished" speech. The Blue Wolves have the distinction of being the only Navy squadron with the designator Navy One.
El stovey said:
MartG said:
On this day: 53 years ago, F-4Cs from the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing, led by Colonel Robin Olds, and “electronically” disguised as F-105s, tricked 16 North Vietnamese MiG-21s into battle at a disadvantage (January 2, 1967). The result: Seven MiGs went down over Phúc Yên, for zero American loses. Operation Bolo, the most elaborate sting in military aviation history, was a complete success!
Everything about your post is awesome. 
Dr Jekyll said:
There was a report of a Mig15 shot down in Korea that was examined by the Americans and found to have 'Rolls Royce' on an engine data plate. No one was sure whether it was reverse engineering going too far or a genuine RR engine.
We gave the russians some RR Nenes shortly after the end of the war, 'because socialist'; it's all Stafford Cripps' fault.Edited by hidetheelephants on Friday 3rd January 23:00
The unexpected side effects of going from a 23mm gun to a 30mm version...
Mikoyan MiG-27 firing its Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-30 rotary cannon. On the MiG-27 the GSh-6-30 had to be mounted obliquely to absorb recoil. The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.
Mikoyan MiG-27 firing its Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-30 rotary cannon. On the MiG-27 the GSh-6-30 had to be mounted obliquely to absorb recoil. The gun was noted for its high (often uncomfortable) vibration and extreme noise. The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instrument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200-meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.
hidetheelephants said:
Better at what? Being an obsolete single-role AAA and SAM magnet that the USAF don't want anymore?
there is an argument that the powers that be in the USAF are like a bunch of kids in a toy-shop and always want the latest thing regardless of whether or not it fulfills their requirements. A lot has been written both for and against the A10 and it does appear that, given the sorts of conflicts that were are now finding ourselves in, that it could be a better (certainly cheaper) machine to use...DoubleD said:
If its a fight then that must mean that some dont think it is.
Top brass who want the flashiest and most expensive. Those who actually have to fly and fight know their value.The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
Eric Mc said:
Top brass who want the flashiest and most expensive. Those who actually have to fly and fight know their value.
The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
Wasn't the A-10 more-or-less redundant ... and then Gulf War I came along. And all of a sudden its capabilities (i.e. against forces with insignificant air power) were perfect.The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
El stovey said:
MartG said:
On this day: 53 years ago, F-4Cs from the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing, led by Colonel Robin Olds, and “electronically” disguised as F-105s, tricked 16 North Vietnamese MiG-21s into battle at a disadvantage (January 2, 1967). The result: Seven MiGs went down over Phúc Yên, for zero American loses. Operation Bolo, the most elaborate sting in military aviation history, was a complete success!
Everything about your post is awesome. Meanwhile...
The lawns of physics.
Escapegoat said:
Eric Mc said:
Top brass who want the flashiest and most expensive. Those who actually have to fly and fight know their value.
The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
Wasn't the A-10 more-or-less redundant ... and then Gulf War I came along. And all of a sudden its capabilities (i.e. against forces with insignificant air power) were perfect.The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
It was then found that aircraft with a similar capability still had a role to play in modern warfare.
Eric Mc said:
Escapegoat said:
Eric Mc said:
Top brass who want the flashiest and most expensive. Those who actually have to fly and fight know their value.
The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
Wasn't the A-10 more-or-less redundant ... and then Gulf War I came along. And all of a sudden its capabilities (i.e. against forces with insignificant air power) were perfect.The A-10 has been on the cards for retirement for around 20 years but they keep seeing how useful they are. They can't go on forever, of course.
It was then found that aircraft with a similar capability still had a role to play in modern warfare.
t fight between the certain parts of the USAF that want rid of it as it doesn't do Mach 2 and the US Army that have offered to buy and operate the remaining airframes because they're more interested in making history than movies.Basically the USAF don't want the US Army to operate anything faster than a helicopter.
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