Ship in a gale
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It's s
t like this that makes me utterly utterly 
with the obese Sky TV viewers who, on setting foot on a ferry, make a beeline for the bar and place getting st-faced above listening to/watching 120 seconds of safety brief on their list of priorities.
They're usually the ones who start crying first when it goes Pete Tong.
A salty sea dog once told me (and I'not joking.....)
"We get two types of passenger. Those who listen, and those who'll drown"
t like this that makes me utterly utterly with the obese Sky TV viewers who, on setting foot on a ferry, make a beeline for the bar and place getting st-faced above listening to/watching 120 seconds of safety brief on their list of priorities. They're usually the ones who start crying first when it goes Pete Tong.
A salty sea dog once told me (and I'not joking.....)
"We get two types of passenger. Those who listen, and those who'll drown"
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 8th September 18:01
john_p said:
I don't understand how all this stuff is free to move about, it's an oceangoing ship, how can stuff like tool cupboards, kitchen cupboards, monitors etc not be permanently bolted down?
Circumstances such as those are quite severely outside of normal operating conditions for a ship like that. They would usually avoid weather conditions that severe, or if that was not possible they would be head on to the seas, and have active stabilisation. It's only if there were some failure that meant they were unable to maintain that, that things start to move around to that extent. A ship without power in heavy weather will naturally try to sit beam on to the sea, and that is what promotes the heavy rolling - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMk6D11FAhgThat ship was hit by a rogue wave that crashed into the bridge and caused an engine shutdown. This pic gives an idea of how big that wave must have been:
Ships that are intended to sail into heavy weather and spend time there would be much less likely to have loose items on deck.
JB! said:
Well it seems the front fell off.XG332 said:
I'd say that's extremely irresponsible not having the forklift teathered down no matter what, you can clearly see it is parked in front of sea doors by the water coming in under them, the forklift would weigh a minimum of 3 tons and given the right wave could easily rupture the doors or even the hulltank slapper said:
Circumstances such as those are quite severely outside of normal operating conditions for a ship like that. They would usually avoid weather conditions that severe, or if that was not possible they would be head on to the seas, and have active stabilisation. It's only if there were some failure that meant they were unable to maintain that, that things start to move around to that extent. A ship without power in heavy weather will naturally try to sit beam on to the sea, and that is what promotes the heavy rolling - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMk6D11FAhg
Surely they just tie a bucket to some rope and tail it behind! 
I guess the operating conditions can never be certain, it just really surprises me that something heavy like a tool cupboard (which even on flat land would probably be a tip hazard and bolted to a wall) could just fall like that. Even if they were heading into waves, the tipping would cause similar movement, would it not? Also the forklift, as mentioned above, right by a sea door, and probably a gas cylinder on it? That rolling about unrestrained could cause some real problems..
The pitching motion of a vessel under power with its head to the seas won't pitch anywhere near as severely as one that is stationary beam on to the weather will roll, because ships are a lot longer than they are wide. Cruise ships usually have active stabilisers that are fins sticking out the side, that adjust to counter roll caused by waves. These rely on water flow over them, so don't work when stationary.
I don't know what the regulations are on things like fork-lift trucks in front of sea doors, but I wouldn't be surprised if complacency had crept in there. Perhaps they underestimated the severity of the weather they were sailing into, but given the wide use of satellite comms these days they should have known about it.
I don't know what the regulations are on things like fork-lift trucks in front of sea doors, but I wouldn't be surprised if complacency had crept in there. Perhaps they underestimated the severity of the weather they were sailing into, but given the wide use of satellite comms these days they should have known about it.
Nickyboy said:
XG332 said:
I'd say that's extremely irresponsible not having the forklift teathered down no matter what, you can clearly see it is parked in front of sea doors by the water coming in under them, the forklift would weigh a minimum of 3 tons and given the right wave could easily rupture the doors or even the hullFull investigation from the MAIB here
http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_...
Check out the row of toppled fruit machines on page 19
http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_...
Check out the row of toppled fruit machines on page 19
Edited by john_p on Thursday 9th September 13:53
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