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mrmaggit said:
Flintstone said:
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Psssst! It's QANTAS, no 'u'. Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Service (Ltd).
Or "Queers And Nymphomaniacs Trained As Stewards".Psssst! It's QANTAS, no 'u'. Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Service (Ltd).
Story goes that a chap who was erm, good with colours, got the job of Chief Mince back in the early nineties and the rest is history.
Edited by Flintstone on Wednesday 8th December 16:16
And here, interviews with the pilots and photos taken in the cockpit at the time.
http://www.aerosocietychannel.com/aerospace-insigh...
http://www.aerosocietychannel.com/aerospace-insigh...
FourWheelDrift said:
And here, interviews with the pilots and photos taken in the cockpit at the time.
http://www.aerosocietychannel.com/aerospace-insigh...
A very good read, thank you...http://www.aerosocietychannel.com/aerospace-insigh...
Question
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
This is an interesting bit: 'But at the end of the day common sense and airmanship takes over. We didn’t blindly follow the ECAMs. We looked at each one individually, analysed it, and either rejected it or actioned it as we thought we should. From a training point of view it doesn’t matter what aeroplane you are flying airmanship has to take over. In fact, Airbus has some golden rules which we all adhered to on the day – aviate, navigate and communicate – in that order.'
Humans will make mistakes but a computer can kill you with logic.
Humans will make mistakes but a computer can kill you with logic.
thinfourth2 said:
Question
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
They would not have a trip in the traditional sense in that high vibration detection (even with voting) would not allow the aircraft control systems to shut the engine down. Shut down of engines has to remain the pilots decision.Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
Olf said:
thinfourth2 said:
Question
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
They would not have a trip in the traditional sense in that high vibration detection (even with voting) would not allow the aircraft control systems to shut the engine down. Shut down of engines has to remain the pilots decision.Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
thinfourth2 said:
Olf said:
thinfourth2 said:
Question
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
They would not have a trip in the traditional sense in that high vibration detection (even with voting) would not allow the aircraft control systems to shut the engine down. Shut down of engines has to remain the pilots decision.Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
Olf said:
That's the whole point. The engines are designed to prevent loss of containment. That's what the blade-off tests are for and the amount of design work that goes into containment. You see the wraps of kevlar on one of those buggers. An engine must be able to destruct without escaping. That's why RR are in the st on this one.
Olf appears to have an arse-elbow differentiation problem.Blade-loss events are required to be contained.
If a turbine disk comes apart, nothing short of battleship-grade armour, and lots of it (or Olf's skull) would stop a chunk of metal that large, with that much energy, going precisely where it was destined to do under Newtonian rules.
RR do have a problem, but not because the engine casing failed to contain a disk failure - they're in the merde because the disk came apart at all.
In summary: RR have a production quality problem, and Olf has a not-being-a-dolt-problem.
That is all.
thinfourth2 said:
Olf said:
thinfourth2 said:
Question
Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
They would not have a trip in the traditional sense in that high vibration detection (even with voting) would not allow the aircraft control systems to shut the engine down. Shut down of engines has to remain the pilots decision.Do Jet engines have a hi vibration trip?
As the article talks about the vibration increasing in steam turbine world when your vibs go above a certain level the turbine stops. but in shipping you can stop and float planes don't float they make like a brick. So is there circumstance where the engine will shutdown automatically or will it run to destruction?
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