Private Jet £40K

[Work-Shy-Wanabe]

£40k for this:

http://www.everettaero.com/Dominie.html

Talk to me......

[Stu R]

'Some internal components missing' = 'stripped of lots of expensive stuff'

'ideal ground maintenance instructional airframe' = 'you'll have more chance of getting to 10,000 feet under your own steam than in this, it's out of airframe hours'

[dudleybloke]

its an expensive ornament.

[Eric Mc]

I'm sure it hasn't flown in years. The Dominies were retired a few months ago and all the flyable ones were in an all black scheme. This one is in the trainer colours used in the 70s and 80s.

[spitfire-ian]

According to http://www.aviation-links.co.uk/MAMupdate56-2010.p... and http://www.ukserials.com/ it's in Spain.

[Eric Mc]

And it also has an instructional airframe serial - which shows that it hasn't flown for quite a few years.

[Fat Albert]

That's about £35k over-priced....

£40k will buy you an airworthy Jet Provost or Aero L29

[eharding]

Fat Albert said:

That's about £35k over-priced....

£40k will buy you an airworthy Jet Provost or Aero L29

...and then spend £40K a year keeping it airworthy, before you even begin to think about flying it (probably).

A mate has been doing a bit of JP flying at North Weald recently - the effective airborne cost is nudging £1K an hour. Makes the Yak look positively frugal.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

That's a very old photo' probably taken at Finningley. XS729 was one of the 11 a/c upgraded in the early 90's and was scrapped in 2007.

You can tell that is a pre-upgrade photo' because of the cabin window arrangement.

Regarding the colour scheme, Eric is not quite correct, of the 11 upgrade aircraft the only one to be delivered after conversion in the black and white scheme was XS709 (which is now in the museum at Cosford). This a/c was the last to be delivered in mid 1997, the rest were delivered in the red/white.

The first aircraft to go into the black and white scheme was XS739 which was repainted in early 1997. Some of the fleet remained in the old red and white scheme till as late as 2000.

[Eric Mc]

I'm not a complete expert on every single Dominiwe airframe - as, unlike G15 Girl, I dion't spend part of my working life working on them.

Was that airframe painted in the black scheme and is it as complete as it looks in that picture?

[Roop]

As EH points out, it's not the airframe that cost the money but getting it airworthy again and certified. Maintaining it in an airworthy state, compliant with all regulations and lastly, the biggest part is fuelling the bugger.

I've got a fully airworthy Hunter for sale if anyone's interested. Sure, you can get from London to Glasgow and back in an hour flat but it'll cost you two grand in Jet-A1 alone.

Buy the Dominie and whack it on a stick in your garden. That's about all it's useful for I'm afraid...

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

eharding said:

...and then spend £40K a year keeping it airworthy, before you even begin to think about flying it (probably).

Aside from the maintenance costs, the Dominie fuel load is 8000lbs which will give you around 21/2 hrs flying (3 at a stretch if you stay at high level). I have no idea how much AVTUR costs these days but I would guess it's not cheap.

It's moot anyway, even if you could get your hands on an airworthy Dominie, spares would be a nightmare because the Dominie was unique in the HS125 family in having the Viper 301 engine. If you could get over that hurdle then the next one would be where to operate it from, you need a Minimum Balanced Field of 4800ft from which to operate and for MTOW you want ideally 6000ft of paved runway. Furthermore most civil fields won't accept Dominie operations owing to noise abatement requirements.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Eric Mc said:

Was that airframe painted in the black scheme and is it as complete as it looks in that picture?

I believe the 11 upgrade a/c were all repainted by late 2001. The give away that the photo' is old is the fact that the a/c has 4 windows on the starboard side. Post upgrade the a/c had 6 windows on the starboard side because the radio rack had been moved.

[Work-Shy-Wanabe]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

OP,

Gonna buy the FSOTW then ?

Not much negative stuff said here.

Ignore, them all, it is jealousy speaking !
You'll have your own Private Jet






at the bottom of the garden

Of course! I'll work on it in my own time to get it airworthy, paint Learjet on the sides and show off to all my mates! Then sell it for millions! Off to the bank now with my business plan......

[Eric Mc]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Eric Mc said:

Was that airframe painted in the black scheme and is it as complete as it looks in that picture?

I believe the 11 upgrade a/c were all repainted by late 2001. The give away that the photo' is old is the fact that the a/c has 4 windows on the starboard side. Post upgrade the a/c had 6 windows on the starboard side because the radio rack had been moved.

I'll bear all that in mind when I'm building my Airfix kit - although I'm minded to complete it in the original dayglo and silver scheme.

[Zippee]

eharding said:

...and then spend £40K a year keeping it airworthy, before you even begin to think about flying it (probably).

A mate has been doing a bit of JP flying at North Weald recently - the effective airborne cost is nudging £1K an hour. Makes the Yak look positively frugal.

Is it black with orange tips? I saw one flying on Saturday over Buntingford and later coming in to land at N/Weald. Pretty little thing, hell of a noise though

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Eric Mc said:

I'll bear all that in mind when I'm building my Airfix kit - although I'm minded to complete it in the original dayglo and silver scheme.

On the post-upgrade a/c the window arrangement on the port changed as well, from 6 to 4 windows, additionally the radome was longer.

Only 2 a/c ever wore the silver/dayglo scheme, XS709 and XS710, and both were in the red/white by the time the first Nav course on them started up at Stradishall in September 1965.

I have seen claims that XS711 was also in the silver/dayglo backed up by a photo' purporting to show her at the Paris Air Show in June 1965, but this must be a mistake (you can't see the serial number in the photo') because XS711 wasn't delivered until 26 November 1965!

[Magog]

Roop said:

I've got a fully airworthy Hunter for sale if anyone's interested. Sure, you can get from London to Glasgow and back in an hour flat but it'll cost you two grand in Jet-A1 alone.

Have you seen how much tickets on Virgin Trains cost, two grand to go in your own fighter plane seems like a positive bargain in comparison

[Work-Shy-Wanabe]

Okay 90K then;

http://www.aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_de...

Sorry Ive got a day off today....


EDIT: better link here: http://www.usaaircraft.com/active/listingview.php?...

[Eric Mc]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Eric Mc said:

I'll bear all that in mind when I'm building my Airfix kit - although I'm minded to complete it in the original dayglo and silver scheme.

On the post-upgrade a/c the window arrangement on the port changed as well, from 6 to 4 windows, additionally the radome was longer.

Only 2 a/c ever wore the silver/dayglo scheme, XS709 and XS710, and both were in the red/white by the time the first Nav course on them started up at Stradishall in September 1965.

I have seen claims that XS711 was also in the silver/dayglo backed up by a photo' purporting to show her at the Paris Air Show in June 1965, but this must be a mistake (you can't see the serial number in the photo') because XS711 wasn't delivered until 26 November 1965!

I've got a set of decals for one of the silver/day-glo aircraft. I'm hopeful they did their research correctly.

Eric