THE STEAK THREAD, served a la Man

THE STEAK THREAD, served a la Man

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Harry Flashman

19,375 posts

243 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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Wellington. Absolutely brilliant.

Actually a bit too rare for me, so next time another 5 minutes in the oven.


bigandclever

13,795 posts

239 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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Nice.

HM-2

12,467 posts

170 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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Harry Flashman said:
Wellington. Absolutely brilliant.

Actually a bit too rare for me, so next time another 5 minutes in the oven.

That looks sodding perfect.

LordGrover

33,549 posts

213 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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AlvinSultana said:
Meet the Proclaimers, as they were fondly referred to.

We sent these 2 to the abattoir for a kill and cut 2 weeks ago. They will be ready to be picked up this week.

All of the best bits will go into our dry ager for a couple of months before anything is eaten. They were fed an extra ration of a bucket of apples every day for the last 6 weeks, it might not add flavour but I am told the tannins assist when maturing meat for longer periods.

We were quite attached to these two, it was a sad day when they were loaded for their last journey.



If/when circumstances allow I'd love to do similar.
I love cows, and beef too. Perhaps goats and ducks to provide a little variety.

ayedubya

225 posts

46 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Audis5b9 said:
My first reverse sear steak, Cote de Boeuf from Farmison online butchers.

Superb results, melt in the mouth and simple cooking process. Next will take it a couple of degrees hotter to further render the fat and form a better crust (This was to 54 degrees)

As an avid sous vide user, I have been converted for the fattier cuts to reverse sear and where you want a crust.
looks awesome, i am a keen sous vider too, and am yet to get a good prime rib to try reverse sear instead of sv, as per kenji lopez-alt he says it is a better method.

how were farmisons? their prices look competitive. i would like to find a good online reliable butcher

was there a particular reason you left the thermometer in when searing?

thanks

UTH

8,976 posts

179 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Harry Flashman said:
Wellington. Absolutely brilliant.

Actually a bit too rare for me, so next time another 5 minutes in the oven.

That does look very well made, but I'm probably with you, I'd go a tiny bit longer in the oven, but not much, very nearly perfect in that pic.

Audis5b9

939 posts

73 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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ayedubya said:
looks awesome, i am a keen sous vider too, and am yet to get a good prime rib to try reverse sear instead of sv, as per kenji lopez-alt he says it is a better method.

how were farmisons? their prices look competitive. i would like to find a good online reliable butcher

was there a particular reason you left the thermometer in when searing?

thanks
I rate Farmisons highly. We probably do an order every other month. All the produce bar the bacon/ sausages has been excellent.

I left the thermometer in for the sear to prevent overcooking and just so I can see how much the searing changed the temp... as the bone is there, it didnt get in the way.

Harry Flashman

19,375 posts

243 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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UTH said:
Harry Flashman said:
Wellington. Absolutely brilliant.

Actually a bit too rare for me, so next time another 5 minutes in the oven.

That does look very well made, but I'm probably with you, I'd go a tiny bit longer in the oven, but not much, very nearly perfect in that pic.
It was fun, but time consuming to make. My first ever time doing it so at least I now know the technique, and it is a properly cool dish to serve!

What I learned:
- make the mushroom duxelle coating the night before to save time. Make sure it is warm and pliable before coating

- don't use too much parma ham as the coating is very rich anyway

- don't roll the pastry too thin

- use a meat thermometer to get the fillet where you want it.

It was bloody tasty. Not perfect, but nearly there!

Going to do it with salmon next.

Greenie

1,830 posts

242 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Harry Flashman said:
It was fun, but time consuming to make. My first ever time doing it so at least I now know the technique, and it is a properly cool dish to serve!

What I learned:
- make the mushroom duxelle coating the night before to save time. Make sure it is warm and pliable before coating

- don't use too much parma ham as the coating is very rich anyway

- don't roll the pastry too thin

- use a meat thermometer to get the fillet where you want it.

It was bloody tasty. Not perfect, but nearly there!

Going to do it with salmon next.
Is it the Gordon Ramsay recipe?

Harry Flashman

19,375 posts

243 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Greenie said:
Is it the Gordon Ramsay recipe?
It is!

UTH

8,976 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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My Mrs has very kindly bought this for my birthday dinner on Saturday as we’ll not be allowed to go out anymore.
I’ve cooked a few big T-Bones before in the standard way on the bbq, but I’m thinking of trying reverse sear for this special steak.

My question is do you think a meat thermometer is essential here? I don’t currently have one so might get myself a £15 one to make sure I cook it perfectly? Or is it straight forward enough to get the timings right without one?

Please don’t judge, we know it’s hideously expensive.


21TonyK

11,537 posts

210 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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UTH said:
My Mrs has very kindly bought this for my birthday dinner on Saturday as we’ll not be allowed to go out anymore.
I’ve cooked a few big T-Bones before in the standard way on the bbq, but I’m thinking of trying reverse sear for this special steak.

My question is do you think a meat thermometer is essential here? I don’t currently have one so might get myself a £15 one to make sure I cook it perfectly? Or is it straight forward enough to get the timings right without one?

Please don’t judge, we know it’s hideously expensive.

Get a thermometer, no question. Timing is worthless, touch and temp are the only way to go.

UTH

8,976 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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21TonyK said:
Get a thermometer, no question. Timing is worthless, touch and temp are the only way to go.
Yeah I thought as I typed that, £15 isn’t a lot to invest to make sure I get it right! Will do

Greenie

1,830 posts

242 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Harry Flashman said:
Greenie said:
Is it the Gordon Ramsay recipe?
It is!
Thought so, had exactly the same issue. Need 5 mins more otherwise pastry is too pale and beef bit underdone.

Have 2 oven thermometers so I know temp was right. Recipe not tested properly I think.

So annoying 5 mins more and it would have been perfect.

tedmus

1,886 posts

136 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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UTH said:
21TonyK said:
Get a thermometer, no question. Timing is worthless, touch and temp are the only way to go.
Yeah I thought as I typed that, £15 isn’t a lot to invest to make sure I get it right! Will do
I have a couple of bluetooth multiprobe Inkbird units which are great but sometimes can't be bothered setting them up. If I only really need 1 probe I have a Thermopro unit, think that cost about £15. I usually back it up with poke with an instant read to check on finished temp.

Harry Flashman

19,375 posts

243 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Greenie said:
Harry Flashman said:
Greenie said:
Is it the Gordon Ramsay recipe?
It is!
Thought so, had exactly the same issue. Need 5 mins more otherwise pastry is too pale and beef bit underdone.

Have 2 oven thermometers so I know temp was right. Recipe not tested properly I think.

So annoying 5 mins more and it would have been perfect.
Good to know! I actually like pastry still a bit doughy as opposed to fully puffed and flaky, so I think I will cook the fillet for longer in one of the initial stages, but keep the final bake short to keep the pastry as I like it.

Now have t find another fillet to experiment with...

eyebeebe

2,987 posts

234 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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UTH said:
My Mrs has very kindly bought this for my birthday dinner on Saturday as we’ll not be allowed to go out anymore.
I’ve cooked a few big T-Bones before in the standard way on the bbq, but I’m thinking of trying reverse sear for this special steak.

My question is do you think a meat thermometer is essential here? I don’t currently have one so might get myself a £15 one to make sure I cook it perfectly? Or is it straight forward enough to get the timings right without one?

Please don’t judge, we know it’s hideously expensive.

Can‘t think of a better cut to get Wagyu. As i wrote earlier medium-rare to medium would be my choice for this cut and especially so with that much fat, so it renders properly. Definitely a reverse sear with a thermometer. If your bbq set up allows it, I‘d be doing it all on the bbq. 110 degrees until 50 degrees or so, get it fired up as hot as it will go and then sear it. Second option would be 110 in the oven and then hot as hell for the sear on the bbq. Steak to me just tastes so much better with a bbq sear.

UTH

8,976 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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eyebeebe said:
Can‘t think of a better cut to get Wagyu. As i wrote earlier medium-rare to medium would be my choice for this cut and especially so with that much fat, so it renders properly. Definitely a reverse sear with a thermometer. If your bbq set up allows it, I‘d be doing it all on the bbq. 110 degrees until 50 degrees or so, get it fired up as hot as it will go and then sear it. Second option would be 110 in the oven and then hot as hell for the sear on the bbq. Steak to me just tastes so much better with a bbq sear.
Thanks for this.
Sadly the BBQ probably needs a serious clean as it won’t have been used since summer and we always forget to clean it before it retires for the winter.
And to be honest I think I can get my pan hotter on the hob for the sear than the BBQ would manage.
Will follow your instructions, just indoors.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Greenie said:
Harry Flashman said:
Greenie said:
Is it the Gordon Ramsay recipe?
It is!
Thought so, had exactly the same issue. Need 5 mins more otherwise pastry is too pale and beef bit underdone.

Have 2 oven thermometers so I know temp was right. Recipe not tested properly I think.

So annoying 5 mins more and it would have been perfect.
Ramsay always goes rare to the point of being too rare. The fact is he doesn’t cook anything so his ‘recipe’ on time is a bit off. I don’t like blue/raw steak. And flashers did a fine job on the hard bits but you can see the pastry is under done. Don’t shoot me Harrysmile

m3jappa

6,435 posts

219 months

Wednesday 4th November 2020
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With regard to that wagyu id follow the 'American bbq competition ' way which is what i have been doing for a while now with incredible results.

This has been my method and while i prefer the bbq i cant always get it to sear very well (i really dont know why).

take steak out, pat it dry.
salt, a bit of pepper and a bit of garlic powder
leave to sit like this for about 40 mins so really absorbs

heat bbq as hot as you can with lid closed, couple of bits of oak or similar round the coals.

Into bbq and depending on thickness cook it to 129 deg f then take off, during the cook put some melted butter with garlic over it.

rest for 15-20 mins while wrapped in foil.

obviously you can sub the bbq for a hot pan as well but imo the most important bits are pat dry, let marinate for 40 mins, rest 15-20.