Show us your whisky! Vol 2
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Pflanzgarten said:
https://www.houseofmalt.co.uk/product/secret-speys...
Desperately trying not to buy one of these for Xmas, first fill oloroso for 18 years is going to be right up my street-it’s a Macallan apparently.
Anything that price is for investment and the display cabinet usually but I do like to open something special on Xmas eve but this is massively over what I normally spend.
I’ve not checked really recently, but there was lots of 17yo’s in the same batch of casks released last year were typically £140 and selling in auction around that. I just finished my cask #28 the other day actually. Not sure why the 18yo versions jumped so much in price. You can get a 17yo around £120-140 in auction so I’d just get one of them and save the £60 for a few months extra in the cask. Desperately trying not to buy one of these for Xmas, first fill oloroso for 18 years is going to be right up my street-it’s a Macallan apparently.
Anything that price is for investment and the display cabinet usually but I do like to open something special on Xmas eve but this is massively over what I normally spend.
NRS said:
Pflanzgarten said:
https://www.houseofmalt.co.uk/product/secret-speys...
Desperately trying not to buy one of these for Xmas, first fill oloroso for 18 years is going to be right up my street-it’s a Macallan apparently.
Anything that price is for investment and the display cabinet usually but I do like to open something special on Xmas eve but this is massively over what I normally spend.
I’ve not checked really recently, but there was lots of 17yo’s in the same batch of casks released last year were typically £140 and selling in auction around that. I just finished my cask #28 the other day actually. Not sure why the 18yo versions jumped so much in price. You can get a 17yo around £120-140 in auction so I’d just get one of them and save the £60 for a few months extra in the cask. Desperately trying not to buy one of these for Xmas, first fill oloroso for 18 years is going to be right up my street-it’s a Macallan apparently.
Anything that price is for investment and the display cabinet usually but I do like to open something special on Xmas eve but this is massively over what I normally spend.
Two bits of whisky news this week:
Picked up a bottle of Bushmills 10 year old sherry cask in Asda for £25 and have to say it's really quite pleasant.
Also got an early Christmas present from my wife, a bottle of Nc'Nean Quiet Rebels as I got through the standard bottle of Nc'Nean very quickly.
Picked up a bottle of Bushmills 10 year old sherry cask in Asda for £25 and have to say it's really quite pleasant.
Also got an early Christmas present from my wife, a bottle of Nc'Nean Quiet Rebels as I got through the standard bottle of Nc'Nean very quickly.
C70R said:
eein said:
You simply cant get new casks from main brand distilleries anymore
My Bruichladdich cask was bought direct from the distillery, and the Bunnahabhain from Cask 88. Cask 88 have had a few well known brands (that weren't my bag) on offer recently. Maybe worth getting in touch?NRS said:
eein said:
It is a risk, however they are credible enough. I've been around it a few times, talked to the owners, and their whole approach and business is sensibly done and managed. They have a key advantage to keeping cashflow going in that they are on the car park at NC500 main stop John O Groats and run an excellent cafe.
My other 3 casks are also are relatively new distilleries - Bonnington, Wolfburn and Uile-bheist. You simply cant get new casks from main brand distilleries anymore, so it's either a n00b outfit or a unknown-usually-for-blended place. Or you pay loads for a name with a few years on the cask.
There's still some of the smaller casks available...
https://8-doors-distillery.myshopify.com/collectio...
Not sure if you saw it, but Bonnington have their first release which also happens to be a single cask. It's a bit strange, it really sneaked out under the radar and is still available. I know the market has slowed down a bit, but surprised to see an inaugural still available at this price. My other 3 casks are also are relatively new distilleries - Bonnington, Wolfburn and Uile-bheist. You simply cant get new casks from main brand distilleries anymore, so it's either a n00b outfit or a unknown-usually-for-blended place. Or you pay loads for a name with a few years on the cask.
There's still some of the smaller casks available...
https://8-doors-distillery.myshopify.com/collectio...
https://milroysofsoho.com/products/bonnington-cask...
Speaking about Bonnington then the 3rd cask from the Chain Pier distillery is going on sale today. I've got the first two, and hoping to get all of them for a big vertical tasting in the future over a weekend most likely. There is only 36 casks ever made, so it would be possible. The first was one of the better new distilleries I've had, the second (a shiraz cask) was a bit more sketchy.
With Bonnington, I'm not sure they are looking to try to be a big brand, I get the impression they will do a few distillery releases, but push a lot in to their wider group blending. There's almost zero info about the distillery online, it's nearly impossible to find where the distillery physically is, and there's not even a sign on their gate saying what they are, let alone a visitor centre.
They do seem to offer casks via cask88, although they told me they'd not sold many. Very different than my other casks which are from new and independents who will live and die on their brand.
Edited by eein on Saturday 2nd December 13:51
I bought this in lockdown one of 260 made:
Kyōyū: World Blended Whisky From Japan
https://dekanta.com/kyoyu/
Kyōyū: World Blended Whisky From Japan
https://dekanta.com/kyoyu/
C70R said:
On the 'tasting before buying' thing, I'm not sure my palate is good enough to determine what a new make spirit that's a few months old will be like in 15+ years. I didn't give it a moment's thought.
You can commission people to do it for you and get an independent assessment. More useful for buying a cask with a bit of age on it already and at a higher cost, I'd suggest anything above £10k.Pflanzgarten said:
I've had a quick look but can only see 17s selling for a similar £200-ish at auction.
History in WA seems to have them for the £120-140 I saw:https://whiskyauctioneer.com/auction-search?text=M...
eein said:
C70R said:
On the 'tasting before buying' thing, I'm not sure my palate is good enough to determine what a new make spirit that's a few months old will be like in 15+ years. I didn't give it a moment's thought.
You can commission people to do it for you and get an independent assessment. More useful for buying a cask with a bit of age on it already and at a higher cost, I'd suggest anything above £10k.One of those I’d avoid if possible now is Cask Trade. They’ve got a member of staff done for fraud crimes in the past, and recently I know they’ve been saying that some unnamed peated highland is Ben Nevis, when there’s no evidence provided, the dates don’t make sense as BN never hid their name at that time, and apparently it doesn’t taste like it. Taste is always tricky, but they don’t seem the most trustworthy place, particularly as they were one who was one of the founding members of the Whisky Cask trade group. A group to get rid of the dishonesty in cask trading, as judged by a group of cask traders,
NRS said:
eein said:
C70R said:
On the 'tasting before buying' thing, I'm not sure my palate is good enough to determine what a new make spirit that's a few months old will be like in 15+ years. I didn't give it a moment's thought.
You can commission people to do it for you and get an independent assessment. More useful for buying a cask with a bit of age on it already and at a higher cost, I'd suggest anything above £10k.One of those I’d avoid if possible now is Cask Trade. They’ve got a member of staff done for fraud crimes in the past, and recently I know they’ve been saying that some unnamed peated highland is Ben Nevis, when there’s no evidence provided, the dates don’t make sense as BN never hid their name at that time, and apparently it doesn’t taste like it. Taste is always tricky, but they don’t seem the most trustworthy place, particularly as they were one who was one of the founding members of the Whisky Cask trade group. A group to get rid of the dishonesty in cask trading, as judged by a group of cask traders,
If you want to ride the hype curve to make money then using these places is probably ok, and no tasting is needed, the game is then all about chopping out at the right time before the hype turns and prices drop and most of these companies go out of business.
For a good assessment of cask investing there's a recent post on Whisky Broker's Facebook page - the post and some of the (rather long) follow up comments are worth reading.
eein said:
C70R said:
On the 'tasting before buying' thing, I'm not sure my palate is good enough to determine what a new make spirit that's a few months old will be like in 15+ years. I didn't give it a moment's thought.
You can commission people to do it for you and get an independent assessment. More useful for buying a cask with a bit of age on it already and at a higher cost, I'd suggest anything above £10k.NRS said:
Pflanzgarten said:
I've had a quick look but can only see 17s selling for a similar £200-ish at auction.
History in WA seems to have them for the £120-140 I saw:https://whiskyauctioneer.com/auction-search?text=M...
Both https://whiskyauctioneer.com/ and https://www.scotchwhiskyauctions.com/ are the primary auction players and highly reputable. I've used both extensively for both buying and selling at drinker and investor level, and have visited both physically and talked to owners and staff.
I'd avoid all other auction platforms - some are dodgy and some just don't get the traffic to get good prices on selling. Same issues with too many upstart auction websites as with the above discussed cask investment upstarts.
I'd avoid all other auction platforms - some are dodgy and some just don't get the traffic to get good prices on selling. Same issues with too many upstart auction websites as with the above discussed cask investment upstarts.
eein said:
Both https://whiskyauctioneer.com/ and https://www.scotchwhiskyauctions.com/ are the primary auction players and highly reputable. I've used both extensively for both buying and selling at drinker and investor level, and have visited both physically and talked to owners and staff.
I'd avoid all other auction platforms - some are dodgy and some just don't get the traffic to get good prices on selling. Same issues with too many upstart auction websites as with the above discussed cask investment upstarts.
Why oh why, do they always stiff you a fiver to bid on auctions before you start? Surely if you register a card you have to pay their fees regardless?I'd avoid all other auction platforms - some are dodgy and some just don't get the traffic to get good prices on selling. Same issues with too many upstart auction websites as with the above discussed cask investment upstarts.
Regbuser said:
Caught up on mine over the weekend, and wholeheartedly agree. Really lovely and smooth, and as you say a gentle vanilla note on the nose is a delight.Think I'm going to be buying my first bottle of French single malt!
Some sad news - i didn't know where else to post this.
I've lost my favourite hip flask. I have a few, but this was the good one.
I'm surprisingly affected by this! I'll be doing another full-house sweep for it this week, but needless to say i miss it - particularly at this week's invite to a baby 1st birthday where i was depressingly sober.
I've lost my favourite hip flask. I have a few, but this was the good one.
I'm surprisingly affected by this! I'll be doing another full-house sweep for it this week, but needless to say i miss it - particularly at this week's invite to a baby 1st birthday where i was depressingly sober.
C70R said:
Regbuser said:
Caught up on mine over the weekend, and wholeheartedly agree. Really lovely and smooth, and as you say a gentle vanilla note on the nose is a delight.Think I'm going to be buying my first bottle of French single malt!
Jameson and Mortlach, pretty run of the mill..
Edited by Regbuser on Monday 4th December 18:08
jimmybell said:
Some sad news - i didn't know where else to post this.
I've lost my favourite hip flask. I have a few, but this was the good one.
I'm surprisingly affected by this! I'll be doing another full-house sweep for it this week, but needless to say i miss it - particularly at this week's invite to a baby 1st birthday where i was depressingly sober.
I have a nice ‘swig’ hip flask that I got for my wedding day, although one for the ‘frivolous’ thread, but i’d really like a ‘wingback’ hip flask. probably not very practical being a cylinder, but looks like amazing craftsmanship, the want is strong (but the price makes it a bit much for a frivolous purchase!)I've lost my favourite hip flask. I have a few, but this was the good one.
I'm surprisingly affected by this! I'll be doing another full-house sweep for it this week, but needless to say i miss it - particularly at this week's invite to a baby 1st birthday where i was depressingly sober.
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