Burgers & fries prices

[BigMon]

I try and avoid the chains tbh.

If I'm in Exeter I'll go to Hubbox. If I'm in Torquay I'll go to Meat 59. Superb burgers at both.

[PurpleAki]

budgie smuggler said:

Hoofy said:

For this minuscule dinner:



£4.50 as it's a child's portion. But I've had to pay upwards of £13 in the past. I have to desperately convince myself that the pub is a really nice environment to be in.

This s me right off. Chips in a fking basket. PUT THEM ON THE PLATE S

The coleslaw... WTF!

Barely a mouthful.

Pathetic.

[FiF]

cat with a hat said:

This thread is the equivalent of mumsnet talking about cars.

Pah! Mumsnet, just swt.

There you are, balance restored.

[robemcdonald]

FiF said:

All a matter of personal preference. I'm willing to accept that your preference is for a standard sesame seed bun. Why are you not prepared to accept that others have different views?

You're quite right. sorry.

Too much Tim spent in N,P and E recently.

[vsonix]

FiF said:

robemcdonald said:

HTP99 said:

robemcdonald said:

FiF said:

robemcdonald said:

The real problem with burgers these days is the bun. Every where seems to only offer the hipsters favourite Brioche (see every picture in this thread). Who wants to eat a burger out of a stodgy cake? What the fk is wrong with a sesame seed bun?

Have to admit the Mrs made some brioche buns, and with the home made burgers, bacon and cheese from the grill over Easter they were excellent, better structural integrity than the lump increasingly soggy cheap bun.

Oh My God, I must be a hipster, have to grow a stupid beard and start riding a fixie.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. There is still time to change though. Reject the Brioche and bin the beard.

A brioche bun is far nicer than the standard sesame seed bun, brioche hotdogs buns are better than the standard hot dog bun too.

Call me a hipster if you like, well I do wear skinny jeans, I have a beard and also thick rimmed specs!

That's fine lots of people are wrong a lot of the time. That's why Michael Bay gets to keep making movies.
I'm frequently wrong myself in fact . But not about this.

All a matter of personal preference. I'm willing to accept that your preference is for a standard sesame seed bun. Why are you not prepared to accept that others have different views?

I can see Brioche being OK for a hot dog but I find them utterly wrong for burgers. They're just not substantial enough. Much prefer sourdough or even a ciabatta roll - something that can actually be used to pick up a juicy burger and will still be holding together by the time you've nearly finished it.

[C70R]

sploosh said:

it costs next to nothing to make a really good burger so no excuse for a sub-standard meal.

This is the kind of innate lack of understanding of the industry that is the root cause of threads like this. Relative to other overheads, the cost of ingredients plays a small role in the price the punter pays in chain restaurants.

By contrast, a "good burger" is actually relatively expensive in ingredient terms when you compare with many of the other chain-type offerings (pizza, pasta etc.). At Pizza Express, your £10-15 pizza has probably cost less than a quid in ingredients, for example.

[C70R]

The Spruce goose said:

7 quid for orange chips and battered cod or 15 quid for a poncey burger and poncey fries.

I know what I prefer.

£7 for fish and chips, using quality-sourced ingredients, in a sit-down restaurant with table service? Show me where...

[Burwood]

The costs of making top end burgers is completely moot. I mean the true all in cost. It is simply to work out ingredients and a gourmet top notch burger would be something like £1.50 in ingredients. Pricing is based on what the market will bear. The overheads to run a pub/restaurant are numerous and that is what really impacts the profit as such. Suffice to say if you're in wetherspoons etc the food is just st.

[HTP99]

C70R said:

sploosh said:

it costs next to nothing to make a really good burger so no excuse for a sub-standard meal.

This is the kind of innate lack of understanding of the industry that is the root cause of threads like this. Relative to other overheads, the cost of ingredients plays a small role in the price the punter pays in chain restaurants.

By contrast, a "good burger" is actually relatively expensive in ingredient terms when you compare with many of the other chain-type offerings (pizza, pasta etc.). At Pizza Express, your £10-15 pizza has probably cost less than a quid in ingredients, for example.

Daughters boyfriend is a chef, we were chatting a few years ago about the actual cost of food, a Margarita pizza at the gastro type place where he then worked cost something like 38p in ingredients.

[Berz]

Sa Calobra said:

AdamIndy said:

£12, worth every single penny.

Where's that?

Can't see an answer to this. Anyone know where it is? *prays it's a chain so he doesn't have to go all the to london for a burger*

[Oakey]

C70R said:

£7 for fish and chips, using quality-sourced ingredients, in a sit-down restaurant with table service? Show me where...

http://www.thefishhousefleetwood.co.uk/

http://www.seniorsfishandchips.co.uk/

Debatable as to whether they're as good as used to be, at least for Seniors.

[C70R]

Burwood said:

The costs of making top end burgers is completely moot. I mean the true all in cost. It is simply to work out ingredients and a gourmet top notch burger would be something like £1.50 in ingredients. Pricing is based on what the market will bear. The overheads to run a pub/restaurant are numerous and that is what really impacts the profit as such. Suffice to say if you're in wetherspoons etc the food is just st.

But, by contrast with other quick-service restaurant foods (pizza/pasta), it's a LOT more expensive. So if paying £13 for a Pizza Express offering with a couple of bits of pepperoni is OK (which it CLEARLY is, given the size of the industry), why is paying £13 for a good "burger and fries" such a massive hurdle?

[Burwood]

HTP99 said:

C70R said:

sploosh said:

it costs next to nothing to make a really good burger so no excuse for a sub-standard meal.

This is the kind of innate lack of understanding of the industry that is the root cause of threads like this. Relative to other overheads, the cost of ingredients plays a small role in the price the punter pays in chain restaurants.

By contrast, a "good burger" is actually relatively expensive in ingredient terms when you compare with many of the other chain-type offerings (pizza, pasta etc.). At Pizza Express, your £10-15 pizza has probably cost less than a quid in ingredients, for example.

Daughters boyfriend is a chef, we were chatting a few years ago about the actual cost of food, a Margarita pizza at the gastro type place where he then worked cost something like 38p in ingredients.

And I can tell you that 38p is nonsense. It is closer to £1.75 before overheads.

[Burwood]

C70R said:

Burwood said:

The costs of making top end burgers is completely moot. I mean the true all in cost. It is simply to work out ingredients and a gourmet top notch burger would be something like £1.50 in ingredients. Pricing is based on what the market will bear. The overheads to run a pub/restaurant are numerous and that is what really impacts the profit as such. Suffice to say if you're in wetherspoons etc the food is just st.

But, by contrast with other quick-service restaurant foods (pizza/pasta), it's a LOT more expensive. So if paying £13 for a Pizza Express offering with a couple of bits of pepperoni is OK (which it CLEARLY is, given the size of the industry), why is paying £13 for a good "burger and fries" such a massive hurdle?

I agree with you.

[C70R]

Burwood said:

HTP99 said:

C70R said:

sploosh said:

it costs next to nothing to make a really good burger so no excuse for a sub-standard meal.

This is the kind of innate lack of understanding of the industry that is the root cause of threads like this. Relative to other overheads, the cost of ingredients plays a small role in the price the punter pays in chain restaurants.

By contrast, a "good burger" is actually relatively expensive in ingredient terms when you compare with many of the other chain-type offerings (pizza, pasta etc.). At Pizza Express, your £10-15 pizza has probably cost less than a quid in ingredients, for example.

Daughters boyfriend is a chef, we were chatting a few years ago about the actual cost of food, a Margarita pizza at the gastro type place where he then worked cost something like 38p in ingredients.

And I can tell you that 38p is nonsense. It is closer to £1.75 before overheads.

I know a Head of Ops for a small group of pizza chain restaurants, and I can tell you categorically that none of their pizzas cost more than £1 in raw ingredients.

ETA - By contrast, a good "burger and fries" could cost up to 3x as much.

Edited by C70R on Thursday 27th April 12:45

[brianashley]

Burwood said:

And I can tell you that 38p is nonsense. It is closer to £1.75 before overheads.

That makes sense .I doubt a rubbish place could do it for less than 30p



But lets look at school food in top private schools. Eton/harrow marlborough etc

3 meals a day with selections , snacks etc .Guess the budget per pupil per day . To supply cook/store pay wages , the whole bloody lot.

I wonder how many people get close

[LeoSayer]

anonymous said:

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That's my favourite mainly for the character of the place (Carnaby St) but I'm equally happy with Byron, Honest and GBK (with obligatory vouchers). Never felt I've paid too much for those.

I've been to 5 guys twice and have no desire to ever go again and it wasn't because of the price. The burgers were nothing special, the place was rammed with people standing around waiting for their burgers and fighting over the ketchup dispensers and the tables were a mess.

But the best combination of price and quality has to be Denny's in my experience. Last time I paid something like $6 for this beaut:
https://www.dennys.com/food/featured/classic-burge...

[FiF]

brianashley said:

That makes sense .I doubt a rubbish place could do it for less than 30p



But lets look at school food in top private schools. Eton/harrow marlborough etc

3 meals a day with selections , snacks etc .Guess the budget per pupil per day . To supply cook/store pay wages , the whole bloody lot.

I wonder how many people get close

Bet you're​ going to tell us it's less than HM Prison service, so less than £2 per day.

[HTP99]

Burwood said:

HTP99 said:

C70R said:

sploosh said:

it costs next to nothing to make a really good burger so no excuse for a sub-standard meal.

This is the kind of innate lack of understanding of the industry that is the root cause of threads like this. Relative to other overheads, the cost of ingredients plays a small role in the price the punter pays in chain restaurants.

By contrast, a "good burger" is actually relatively expensive in ingredient terms when you compare with many of the other chain-type offerings (pizza, pasta etc.). At Pizza Express, your £10-15 pizza has probably cost less than a quid in ingredients, for example.

Daughters boyfriend is a chef, we were chatting a few years ago about the actual cost of food, a Margarita pizza at the gastro type place where he then worked cost something like 38p in ingredients.

And I can tell you that 38p is nonsense. It is closer to £1.75 before overheads.

Flour, water, bit of cheese and tomato sauce, all bought in bulk, 39p sounds far more likely than £1.75.

[brianashley]

FiF said:

Bet you're? going to tell us it's less than HM Prison service, so less than £2 per day.

NOT a lot more ! when you think about the expectation and the actual quality is so much higher .

Whats the Uk Force allowance per day thats got to be silly low?