Have we had an "items where own brand is better" Thread?

Have we had an "items where own brand is better" Thread?

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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

13,037 posts

101 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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I prefer Aldi's Haribo rip offs to the real thing. They're more sticky!

CAPP0

19,608 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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Is that actually correct? I've seen threads on here where people say the only way to get reliably-good finishes with mastic is to use Unibond, which is what I do, but if B&Q is the same stuff.....?

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

103 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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A very good friend of mine is production director of one of the biggest food processors in the country. The only supermarket own brands he is enthusiastic about is stuff from Waitrose , and to a certain extent M&S. The rest he just shakes his head about when mentioned. Has to be assumed he knows his game.

As for me personally, I'm very dubious about supermarket own brands, owing basically, to having endured some right crap in the past. Have to say though, that IMHO Aldi Mayo and their pickled whole beets are the best I've ever had, by a country mile. Very reasonably priced to boot!

Aldi Dijon mustard is pretty good , it actually has some bite, other than that , I usually stik to Colman's powdered English mustard.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

87 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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Hosenbugler said:
A very good friend of mine is production director of one of the biggest food processors in the country. The only supermarket own brands he is enthusiastic about is stuff from Waitrose , and to a certain extent M&S. The rest he just shakes his head about when mentioned. Has to be assumed he knows his game.

As for me personally, I'm very dubious about supermarket own brands, owing basically, to having endured some right crap in the past. Have to say though, that IMHO Aldi Mayo and their pickled whole beets are the best I've ever had, by a country mile. Very reasonably priced to boot!

Aldi Dijon mustard is pretty good , it actually has some bite, other than that , I usually stik to Colman's powdered English mustard.
I kind of agree with your friend's assessment & I further think there may be some reasonable, if you think about it, mixing up of products with provenance. In my career, I've spent a fair bit of time in factories seeing stuff being made, food for the most part. I know there are plenty of factories out there manufacturing a mix of proprietary & own brand products on the same machinery lines. For example, I know for a fact that the el cheapo Bombay mix you buy in Happy Shopper is made on the same line as Tesco's finest sea salt & vinegar crisps. It's all just input & output to a specification.

I suspect whilst some own brand stuff may just be a cynical matter of swapping labels over, the majority of it will be quite heavily specified & policed product manufacturing with compliance & audit teams crawling all over the process for the simple reasons that the supermarkets simply cannot afford to stick high oleic sunflower oil on the label only for Esther Rantzen or whoever to discover it is in fact Bulgarian engine oil.

Further, there are only so many factories around that will be capable of manufacturing say, Silcon sealant for example. So it's plain business sense that if you are Unibond, you max out your asset by manufacturing B&Q sealant or whatever for the good of your bottom line when it's not busy doing your own thing. Looking on casually, it's easy to link the two & say it's the exact same product, but I'd be willing to wager it isn't quite up to the same standard. The old rule in life that you get what you pay for is usually right.

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

103 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
I kind of agree with your friend's assessment & I further think there may be some reasonable, if you think about it, mixing up of products with provenance. In my career, I've spent a fair bit of time in factories seeing stuff being made, food for the most part. I know there are plenty of factories out there manufacturing a mix of proprietary & own brand products on the same machinery lines. For example, I know for a fact that the el cheapo Bombay mix you buy in Happy Shopper is made on the same line as Tesco's finest sea salt & vinegar crisps. It's all just input & output to a specification.

I suspect whilst some own brand stuff may just be a cynical matter of swapping labels over, the majority of it will be quite heavily specified & policed product manufacturing with compliance & audit teams crawling all over the process for the simple reasons that the supermarkets simply cannot afford to stick high oleic sunflower oil on the label only for Esther Rantzen or whoever to discover it is in fact Bulgarian engine oil.

Further, there are only so many factories around that will be capable of manufacturing say, Silcon sealant for example. So it's plain business sense that if you are Unibond, you max out your asset by manufacturing B&Q sealant or whatever for the good of your bottom line when it's not busy doing your own thing. Looking on casually, it's easy to link the two & say it's the exact same product, but I'd be willing to wager it isn't quite up to the same standard. The old rule in life that you get what you pay for is usually right.
Yes, basically, thats how it is. My mate has said in the past that its by no means unusual that a similar product can be changed 4 or 5 times, or even more in the same shift depending on who's it for and the price point that its aimed at. Obviously , the more expensive ingredients are reduced, or even missed out altogether in the cheaper lines. Typical examples of being produced down to a price as against up to a standard.

As for non food production, yes, the tooling and operating costs are virtually the same for products at all price ranges , so the only real give is in cheaper formula in making the end product , hence why in my experience BQ own brand stuff is crap, a bit like a Tesco "Value" ready meal. Its very true, you tend to get what you pay for.

To me it all means avoiding processed food as much as possible, after all, irrespective of looking at ready meals as just varying standards of gloop, its easier to ponder that Tuna is an oily fish , but canned Tuna is not, the canning process having destroyed the nutrients , just how much of the origianl nutrients remain in the constituents of the average ready meal is a moot point.

FredericRobinson

3,729 posts

233 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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I've worked in product development of own label food products for 20 odd years, including products for just about all the major retailers, I've never known the same product going into different retailers, although it may well happen sometimes, but the belief seems to be that if 2 products are made in the same factory, or on the same production line they're the same product, which isn't true at all.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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Hosenbugler said:
mp3manager said:
talksthetorque said:
Branston Beans is where it's at.
Don't judge own brand beans until you have tried Branston Beans.
I do like Branston's but I wish they'd use ring-pull cans.
I entirely agree , concerning Branston, and the ring pulls. Heinz are vile imho, both the beans and the spaghetti. Far too sweet for my tastes.
I'm calling snowflake on the pair of you. Ring pulls indeed.rolleyes


Ted2

567 posts

79 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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talksthetorque said:
Hosenbugler said:
mp3manager said:
talksthetorque said:
Branston Beans is where it's at.
Don't judge own brand beans until you have tried Branston Beans.
I do like Branston's but I wish they'd use ring-pull cans.
I entirely agree , concerning Branston, and the ring pulls. Heinz are vile imho, both the beans and the spaghetti. Far too sweet for my tastes.
I'm calling snowflake on the pair of you. Ring pulls indeed.rolleyes
I don't like the ring-pull cans as you can't easily scrape out the juice because of the stupid lip. You don't get that problem with standard tin-opener cans. And before someone says use a tin-opener on the ring-pull cans, you can't as the top is more recessed and the cutting wheel is too far away from the top to pierce it.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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talksthetorque said:
I'm calling snowflake on the pair of you. Ring pulls indeed.rolleyes
Well that's a dick move. rolleyes
As part of the chemo I'm currently undergoing, one of the side effects makes my fingers split around the nails making simple tasks such as using tin-openers very painful, which is why I like ring-pulls.

Riley Blue

20,987 posts

227 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Tried a tin of Aldi's Corale baked beans yesterday, not at all bad - ring pull too. The label designer has a sense of humour, the 'serving suggestion' depicted shows beans on a fork...

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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mp3manager said:
talksthetorque said:
I'm calling snowflake on the pair of you. Ring pulls indeed.rolleyes
Well that's a dick move. rolleyes
As part of the chemo I'm currently undergoing, one of the side effects makes my fingers split around the nails making simple tasks such as using tin-openers very painful, which is why I like ring-pulls.
Ouch! I lost a few toenails after about ten rounds, but my fingernails were OK.
To be fair to you though, I never tried to open tins with my toes.


Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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talksthetorque said:
Hosenbugler said:
mp3manager said:
talksthetorque said:
Branston Beans is where it's at.
Don't judge own brand beans until you have tried Branston Beans.
I do like Branston's but I wish they'd use ring-pull cans.
I entirely agree , concerning Branston, and the ring pulls. Heinz are vile imho, both the beans and the spaghetti. Far too sweet for my tastes.
I'm calling snowflake on the pair of you. Ring pulls indeed.rolleyes
Its just easy, no rummaging in the drawer for the opener. Top Tip. Always store canned food upside down, little or no food stuck in the bottom of the can.

Mobile Chicane

20,846 posts

213 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Tesco own brand frozen mashed potato is the shizzle. Really buttery and nicer than the Waitrose version.

I was genuinely staggered to find this but it's absolutely true.

Fun Bus

17,911 posts

219 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Like so many things, probably made by the same manufacturer but to a different spec.

Kermit power

Original Poster:

28,692 posts

214 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Mobile Chicane said:
Tesco own brand frozen mashed potato is the shizzle. Really buttery and nicer than the Waitrose version.

I was genuinely staggered to find this but it's absolutely true.
Good Lord!!! You're one of the last people I'd expect to be buying such a thing!

Mobile Chicane

20,846 posts

213 months

Wednesday 25th October 2017
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Kermit power said:
Good Lord!!! You're one of the last people I'd expect to be buying such a thing!
There's logic in it.
Costs £1 for 900 grams. 'Fresh' potatoes cost about the same plus there's the time and energy usage of peeling, boiling and mashing.
But, the biggest factor for me is flavour. You know that manufacturers use the oldest potatoes to make frozen mash, but these are the best for mash. Supermarket potatoes are sweetish and slimy due to cold storage. Horrible.

paulwirral

3,159 posts

136 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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mp3manager said:
talksthetorque said:
Branston Beans is where it's at.
Don't judge own brand beans until you have tried Branston Beans.
I do like Branston's but I wish they'd use ring-pull cans.
Ring pull on the way next year , only for single cans to start with though , large investment apparently .

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Heinz ring pull cans don't stack though.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

13,037 posts

101 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Hosenbugler said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
I kind of agree with your friend's assessment & I further think there may be some reasonable, if you think about it, mixing up of products with provenance. In my career, I've spent a fair bit of time in factories seeing stuff being made, food for the most part. I know there are plenty of factories out there manufacturing a mix of proprietary & own brand products on the same machinery lines. For example, I know for a fact that the el cheapo Bombay mix you buy in Happy Shopper is made on the same line as Tesco's finest sea salt & vinegar crisps. It's all just input & output to a specification.

I suspect whilst some own brand stuff may just be a cynical matter of swapping labels over, the majority of it will be quite heavily specified & policed product manufacturing with compliance & audit teams crawling all over the process for the simple reasons that the supermarkets simply cannot afford to stick high oleic sunflower oil on the label only for Esther Rantzen or whoever to discover it is in fact Bulgarian engine oil.

Further, there are only so many factories around that will be capable of manufacturing say, Silcon sealant for example. So it's plain business sense that if you are Unibond, you max out your asset by manufacturing B&Q sealant or whatever for the good of your bottom line when it's not busy doing your own thing. Looking on casually, it's easy to link the two & say it's the exact same product, but I'd be willing to wager it isn't quite up to the same standard. The old rule in life that you get what you pay for is usually right.
Yes, basically, thats how it is. My mate has said in the past that its by no means unusual that a similar product can be changed 4 or 5 times, or even more in the same shift depending on who's it for and the price point that its aimed at. Obviously , the more expensive ingredients are reduced, or even missed out altogether in the cheaper lines. Typical examples of being produced down to a price as against up to a standard.

As for non food production, yes, the tooling and operating costs are virtually the same for products at all price ranges , so the only real give is in cheaper formula in making the end product , hence why in my experience BQ own brand stuff is crap, a bit like a Tesco "Value" ready meal. Its very true, you tend to get what you pay for.

To me it all means avoiding processed food as much as possible, after all, irrespective of looking at ready meals as just varying standards of gloop, its easier to ponder that Tuna is an oily fish , but canned Tuna is not, the canning process having destroyed the nutrients , just how much of the origianl nutrients remain in the constituents of the average ready meal is a moot point.
A very similar thing happens in electrical retail. Next time you see a product 'exclusive to', say a TV, it shall be an existing model of say Samsung, with one feature added or missing, and a new unique model number.
It's a big customer thing, and quite clever really. Someone gets sold a specific model, knows they can't go and get it anywhere else, just not told they could do so near as damn it.

bluelightbabe

297 posts

169 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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mp3manager said:
I do like Branston's but I wish they'd use ring-pull cans.
I don't like ring-pull cans. They never come off in one smooth movement. When I've pulled it all the way back the last bit doesn't come off so I end up wiggling it about to get it off, resulting in tomato juice splashing on me when it does eventually give. I'd much rather open it with a tin opener.