M1 Lorry crash
Discussion
David Wagstaff admitted eight counts causing death by careless driving but cleared of dangerous driving. Given the minibus was stationary with hazards lit, I think he's got off lightly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43320649
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,....and on Cruise.....
Sadly the roads are full of inattentive drivers, however, with the hours, speeds and nature of roads that they do most miles on, I suspect the levels of attentiveness amongst wagon drivers is lower than it is for car drivers.
Having watched the horrific cctv of the incident though, why on earth was the taxi stopped behind the truck blocking lane one? Did he think it was stationary traffic, surely not. BBC said court heard he was trying to get out into the middle lane to pass, but having ended up stationary, maybe through getting a surpise that a stationary truck is there, I cannot help thinking i'd be up the hard shoulder and out the way PDQ if it were me.
I urge anyone who encounters some form of accident on any road, to, if possible, get well out the way or in front of it on a multi lane road eg DC or mway. You're less likely to get caught up in the aftermath if you can get in front before stopping to help etc. or dirve up the flipping batter if you need to!
Horrendous way to go, poor buggers
Sadly the roads are full of inattentive drivers, however, with the hours, speeds and nature of roads that they do most miles on, I suspect the levels of attentiveness amongst wagon drivers is lower than it is for car drivers.
Having watched the horrific cctv of the incident though, why on earth was the taxi stopped behind the truck blocking lane one? Did he think it was stationary traffic, surely not. BBC said court heard he was trying to get out into the middle lane to pass, but having ended up stationary, maybe through getting a surpise that a stationary truck is there, I cannot help thinking i'd be up the hard shoulder and out the way PDQ if it were me.
I urge anyone who encounters some form of accident on any road, to, if possible, get well out the way or in front of it on a multi lane road eg DC or mway. You're less likely to get caught up in the aftermath if you can get in front before stopping to help etc. or dirve up the flipping batter if you need to!
Horrendous way to go, poor buggers
poo at Paul's said:
,....and on Cruise.....
Sadly the roads are full of inattentive drivers, however, with the hours, speeds and nature of roads that they do most miles on, I suspect the levels of attentiveness amongst wagon drivers is lower than it is for car drivers.
If wagon drivers were anywhere near as inattentive as car or van drivers it would be carnage out on the roads .Sadly the roads are full of inattentive drivers, however, with the hours, speeds and nature of roads that they do most miles on, I suspect the levels of attentiveness amongst wagon drivers is lower than it is for car drivers.
Unfortunately when a wagon driver does get it wrong it is normally pretty horrific .
Most trips for me in the UK especially would result in me having to take avioding action several times per day , usually involving errant cars or vans , very occasionally would it be another wagon/bus or coach .
Sad as it is sounds a fair result for Waggstaff. Under current rules he was careless i.e. did not react in time as not paying attention but up untill that point he was not breaking the law despite being on the phone. Hands free etc sees traffic ahead assumes its moving an to late crashes into the van. I would assume there was evidence to show he breaked but too late. The other lorry driver was at fault way over drink drive limit an wothoutna valid license stopped on the main carriage way. So my guess Waggstaff gets 3 years so does 18mths and other driver gets close to maximum for death by dangerouse driving.
milkround said:
JD said:
It's a great shame that the technology exists to prevent exactly this crash, seems crazy that it isn't compulsory on HGV's let alone passenger cars.
If you are talking about adaptive cruise then it works some of the time. However it has its own problems. anxious_ant said:
milkround said:
JD said:
It's a great shame that the technology exists to prevent exactly this crash, seems crazy that it isn't compulsory on HGV's let alone passenger cars.
If you are talking about adaptive cruise then it works some of the time. However it has its own problems. Slightly off topic but a car behind me in stop start traffic was looking down as soon as she moved, and at times whilst she was moving. (Today), I finally stopped, went up to her and told her to put the bloody phone away and watch the car in front, said it's mine and if I braked quickly you may hit me.
This video never ceases to amaze me how good truck brakes can be (if the driver is paying attention!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
Camelot1971 said:
This video never ceases to amaze me how good truck brakes can be (if the driver is paying attention!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
I'm probably wrong, but isn't that an automatic braking system?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
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