Producing a foreign driving licence

Producing a foreign driving licence

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Ayahuasca

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27,427 posts

279 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I have a UK and a foreign (non EU) licence and I do not live in the U.K.

If I am stopped by plod in the UK and asked for my licence, is there any advantage (avoiding points) in showing my foreign one?

andburg

7,291 posts

169 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I would expect them to ask if you have a UK license even if you presented a foreign one.

paintman

7,687 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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If the matter is proceeded with DVLA would create a ghost licence for you. At which point they should find your UK one.

Bearing in mind it's a long time ago since I was in the job & I stand to be corrected if it's changed you could find yourself arrested & kept in custody to be put before the next available court. PACE General Power of Arrest.



Edited by paintman on Thursday 22 March 13:28

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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That depends on how honest you want to be. It won't affect your liability for prosecution or fines. It might (at least it did 10 years ago) prevent an FPN as an alternative and require a trip to the mag court. And any points will be added to "your UK driving record" which you ought to declare in the future, so no real advantages that I can think of.

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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paintman said:
If the matter is proceeded with DVLA would create a ghost licence for you. At which point they should find your UK one.
Some foreign jurisdictions require you to actually hand over your physical UK licence to exchange for one of theirs.

edthedead

374 posts

182 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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When they check your details they will find your UK driving record and then wonder why you are trying to pull the wool over their eyes/be a smart arse. I reckon show both and explain, best to be up front rather than risk getting nicked and put before the next court!

h0b0

7,599 posts

196 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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I left the UK in 2004 and have been driving on a Us license ever since. Whenever I go back I use the US license. I don’t even know where my Uk one is but I know I don’t have a photo card. Would the Uk police spend the time worrying about my UK license?

shirt

22,570 posts

201 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q418.htm

For camera generated tickets you will not be pursued

Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

279 months

Thursday 22nd March 2018
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So if I get tagged by a speed camera, the Notice goes to the car's keeper (say my Dad if I borrowed his car), but as I am non-UK resident and can provide my foreign licence details, I am off scot-free? Sounds like a result.


shirt

22,570 posts

201 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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If you were still in the country after the NIP had been returned and processed I imagine they would pursue. If you’ve left then it’ll end up in the ‘too hard’ pile.


hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
So if I get tagged by a speed camera, the Notice goes to the car's keeper (say my Dad if I borrowed his car), but as I am non-UK resident and can provide my foreign licence details, I am off scot-free? Sounds like a result.

It happened to me in 2007 with a South African licence. I was nailed by a mobile camera at 38 in a 30. It was followed up, and I couldn't accept a FPN so had to give up pretty much a whole day to go to magistrates court, statement of means and earnings and call that guff. All for the standard £60 and 3 points that I could have had by sending back the form with my UK licence details.

So unless enforcement is now more lax than it was back then, you're wrong and they can and do go after you.

shirt

22,570 posts

201 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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hutchst said:
It happened to me in 2007 with a South African licence. I was nailed by a mobile camera at 38 in a 30. It was followed up, and I couldn't accept a FPN so had to give up pretty much a whole day to go to magistrates court, statement of means and earnings and call that guff. All for the standard £60 and 3 points that I could have had by sending back the form with my UK licence details.

So unless enforcement is now more lax than it was back then, you're wrong and they can and do go after you.
My mate, ahem, has avoided 2 fines from fixed cameras by hiring cars using a foreign licence. Sounds like you responded to the NIP and were still in UK when it was processed which, as I said, might make a difference.

My mate returned the first one unsigned as that still flies in scotland, resulting in a phonecall from bib who didnt push any further once he told them where he lived. Second one the hire company received the NIP and sent on the licence details. Again, no action.




Edited by shirt on Friday 23 March 08:49

SS2.

14,462 posts

238 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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hutchst said:
It happened to me in 2007 with a South African licence. I was nailed by a mobile camera at 38 in a 30. It was followed up, and I couldn't accept a FPN so had to give up pretty much a whole day to go to magistrates court, statement of means and earnings and call that guff. All for the standard £60 and 3 points that I could have had by sending back the form with my UK licence details.

So unless enforcement is now more lax than it was back then, you're wrong and they can and do go after you.
Matters changed with regard to non-GB licence holders, fixed penalties and the ability to endorse their driver's records in 2009.

Edited by SS2. on Friday 23 March 10:58

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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That's interesting. Secondary legislation?

SS2.

14,462 posts

238 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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hutchst said:
That's interesting. Secondary legislation?
The Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 was amended by the Road Safety Act 2006.

Sections 8 & 9 of the RSA 2006 were commenced on 1 April 2009 and provided for the new system of driver's records and endorsement of unlicensed & foreign drivers.

ghe13rte

1,860 posts

116 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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h0b0 said:
I left the UK in 2004 and have been driving on a Us license ever since. Whenever I go back I use the US license. I don’t even know where my Uk one is but I know I don’t have a photo card. Would the Uk police spend the time worrying about my UK license?
I doubt the UK police would be worried about this at all.
You may be worried if you present a US licence and fail to present your UK licence and the police already know you have one. What will happen then? Depends upon how much of an arse you have been I think.

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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ghe13rte said:
I doubt the UK police would be worried about this at all.
You may be worried if you present a US licence and fail to present your UK licence and the police already know you have one. What will happen then? Depends upon how much of an arse you have been I think.
Many countries operating a licence exchange system require that you hand over your UK licence in exchange for one of theirs. In those circumstances you won't actually have a UK licence, even though you may previously have had one. And it is not possible to renew your UK licence when it expires if you are not resident in the UK.

KevinCamaroSS

11,635 posts

280 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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hutchst said:
Many countries operating a licence exchange system require that you hand over your UK licence in exchange for one of theirs. In those circumstances you won't actually have a UK licence, even though you may previously have had one. And it is not possible to renew your UK licence when it expires if you are not resident in the UK.
Very much this. Since the OP is not resident in the UK how can he have a UK residential address to put on a licence?

Algarve

2,102 posts

81 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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hutchst said:
And it is not possible to renew your UK licence when it expires if you are not resident in the UK.
Technically... yes

How many expats do you think there are that don't still know someone back home? Its trivial to keep renewing your license without being a resident.

santona1937

736 posts

130 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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I have both a UK and a Washington DC License. The one thing I have learnt is not to mess around with the BIB- in either place- by pretending something is not that is.