waiter unhappy with tip
Discussion
CS Garth said:
This argument is illogical and selfish though “I don’t get tips so why should I give them”.
Again, if you have never received a tip, you can’t appreciate the gift of giving them....
I willingly give a tip for a) good service with a smile and b) not expected and especially when challenged. They'd get a scorn and told to do one.Again, if you have never received a tip, you can’t appreciate the gift of giving them....
If it was a party I'd have contributed to the kitty.
Edited by bonerp on Wednesday 21st August 11:27
ZedLeg said:
I can tell you that for a lot of service industry workers, a good week of tips can be the difference between subsistence and comfortable living.
Perhaps the restaurant should pay them more.It is not the responsibility of the customer to direct pay the wages of the waiting staff. The waiting staff are not employed by the customer.
What's this % rubbish? I spent £66 the other day at a steak place and left £70. Apparently that's now seen as a rubbish demeaning tip? Less than 10%? The person seemed more than happy and if every person at the place left that the hourly wage for a waiting staff would be higher than a doctor. 10 tables an hour and a measly £4 tip suddenly becomes £40 + £8.21 wage. Oh but us waiters are hard up. Sure.
Now I understand Americans live on the tips and are taxed accordingly. So I do give 20% but we get a proper wage so I dont here.
Another thing I hate against the automatic service charge? Bet you in half the places it goes straight in the till. I'd rather give the staff member the cash.
Now I understand Americans live on the tips and are taxed accordingly. So I do give 20% but we get a proper wage so I dont here.
Another thing I hate against the automatic service charge? Bet you in half the places it goes straight in the till. I'd rather give the staff member the cash.
ZedLeg said:
I can tell you that for a lot of service industry workers, a good week of tips can be the difference between subsistence and comfortable living.
They should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn't be restricted to NMW crappy jobs. This notion that we should take pity on them and subsidise their income by showering them with generous tips is frankly ludicrous.Robertj21a said:
Cotty said:
Roman Rhodes said:
No doubt one will be along shortly in the guise of ‘free thinker’ not being a sheep etc. Try and convince yourself if you like but the correct definition is ‘miserable tight git’!
Jesus f
king Christ ITS NOT ABOUT BEING TIGHT. Just add 10% to the food and drink and do away with tipping.
As already pointed out: “eating out is so expensive these days!”
Moaners gotta moan!
Lemming Train said:
ZedLeg said:
I can tell you that for a lot of service industry workers, a good week of tips can be the difference between subsistence and comfortable living.
They should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn't be restricted to NMW crappy jobs. This notion that we should take pity on them and subsidise their income by showering them with generous tips is frankly ludicrous.Prize: meal out for 2 (excluding service)
Lemming Train said:
ZedLeg said:
I can tell you that for a lot of service industry workers, a good week of tips can be the difference between subsistence and comfortable living.
They should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn't be restricted to NMW crappy jobs. This notion that we should take pity on them and subsidise their income by showering them with generous tips is frankly ludicrous.When everyone has taken your sage advice and got a non-crappy job we’ll have all the restaurants closed and be eating at home. Sounds likely.
There are crappy jobs and there are crappy people. You sound like the latter. Do you honestly believe that ANYONE goes to a restaurant thinking they should take pity on the staff?
Roman Rhodes said:
Do you honestly believe that ANYONE goes to a restaurant thinking they should take pity on the staff?
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Do you honestly believe that ANYONE goes to a restaurant thinking they should take pity on the staff?
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.Lemming Train said:
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.
For me it’s not that they are hard done by - it’s just about personally recognising their effort in a way that benefits them rather than just copping out and saying the corporate machine should do it. Roman Rhodes said:
Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Do you honestly believe that ANYONE goes to a restaurant thinking they should take pity on the staff?
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.Roman Rhodes said:
Round up bar/restaurant bills aiming for 10%.
CS Garth said:
Lemming Train said:
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.
For me it’s not that they are hard done by - it’s just about personally recognising their effort in a way that benefits them rather than just copping out and saying the corporate machine should do it. Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Do you honestly believe that ANYONE goes to a restaurant thinking they should take pity on the staff?
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.Roman Rhodes said:
Round up bar/restaurant bills aiming for 10%.
head!I said:
Roman Rhodes said:
That’s the spirit!Seriously though, just relax. Taking bags to room - that’s just a one off, €1 per bag - no biggy. Round up bar/restaurant bills aiming for 10%. Shop in hotel etc - nil. I disagree about it needing to be exceptional service but agree about not tipping for poor service.
I always think a good ‘attitude’ test is whether people tip on Uber. All done via the app after the event so no potential for awkward interaction. People that don’t tip because it’s easy not to = tight. Again, if it was s
t service I wouldn’t tip.Lemming Train said:
Apparently they do, according to your own posts and all the others saying they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are.
So me giving advice to someone and saying I don’t always tip equates to “they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are”? indeed.Have you ever stopped to consider that many of these people who “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs” are in fact students looking to pay their way through A-level and degree courses?
There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
Lemming Train said:
Recognising their effort? WTF?! The extreme effort of writing a few words down on a notepad and carrying some plates from the kitchen to your table? That's what they're being paid £8.21 per hour to do which is a perfectly reasonable wage seeing as it's a job that any able-bodied person can do regardless of intelligence level or academic qualifications.
There’s a little more to it than this - I think what you pay for is the attitude which so often drives the service.Roman Rhodes said:
Have you ever stopped to consider that many of these people who “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs” are in fact students looking to pay their way through A-level and degree courses?
There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
Who cares what the reason is? It's strawman whataboutery nonsense and completely irrelevant. It's you and others that have collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill for........ just doing their job that they are already being paid a perfectly reasonable wage to do by the establishment owner. There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
I'd argue that those of you who are tipping them are the ones looking down your noses as you take pity on the poor, hapless minions having to scrape by on 'only' £8.21 an hour and feel compelled to throw money at them to make their sorry existences a little more bearable
Lemming Train said:
Who cares what the reason is? It's strawman whataboutery nonsense and completely irrelevant. It's you and others that have collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill for........ just doing their job that they are already being paid a perfectly reasonable wage to do by the establishment owner.
I'd argue that those of you who are tipping them are the ones looking down your noses as you take pity on the poor, hapless minions having to scrape by on 'only' £8.21 an hour and feel compelled to throw money at them to make their sorry existences a little more bearable
Would you serve you for £8.21 an hour?! I'd argue that those of you who are tipping them are the ones looking down your noses as you take pity on the poor, hapless minions having to scrape by on 'only' £8.21 an hour and feel compelled to throw money at them to make their sorry existences a little more bearable
I used to deliver white goods for a local company. We'd often have to carry washing machines, cookers, fridge freezers etc. round the back, upstairs, downstairs, you name it. It would often be raining, we'd have to collect the old filthy appliance etc. back-breaking work some days. We would get tips I'd say every 10-15 customers and they were well appreciated. But most of the time, we got nothing. I didn't complain, that's just how it is, if I didn't like it then I would go and get another job (which I did - still no tips!).
I think writing down an order, carrying a couple of plates and being polite doesn't warrant a tip - that is expected behaviour. If someone has gone above and beyond I'll leave something, but otherwise I'm just rounding up to the nearest pound. I like the Wetherspoons model of paying at the bar, then there is no embarrassment or problem like you get in other restaurants where they hand you the card machine and in big letters it's asking if you'd like to leave a tip. No thanks pal, but I will give a few quid to the person who's just towed me all the way home even though he's only supposed to take me to the nearest garage, or the man carrying in my 100kg cooker on a rainy day.
Still, each to his own. Friends who I have had in the catering service industry do appreciate being tipped, and I don't blame them. It makes up for all the customers that are 'difficult'.
I think writing down an order, carrying a couple of plates and being polite doesn't warrant a tip - that is expected behaviour. If someone has gone above and beyond I'll leave something, but otherwise I'm just rounding up to the nearest pound. I like the Wetherspoons model of paying at the bar, then there is no embarrassment or problem like you get in other restaurants where they hand you the card machine and in big letters it's asking if you'd like to leave a tip. No thanks pal, but I will give a few quid to the person who's just towed me all the way home even though he's only supposed to take me to the nearest garage, or the man carrying in my 100kg cooker on a rainy day.
Still, each to his own. Friends who I have had in the catering service industry do appreciate being tipped, and I don't blame them. It makes up for all the customers that are 'difficult'.
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