waiter unhappy with tip
Discussion
Ascayman said:
xjay1337 said:
Well I've had situations where a 10% tip is expected (SA).
We have added 10% to our cost on card but the other couples have not and we have ended up throwing additional cash to cover.
That was annoying.
I find splitting bills the most annoying part of meals with groups.
Generally with our lads we just split it 4 ways unless someone has a 15 quid more expensive meal , we don't care about a few quid here and there
But with my Mrs and her friends and family , they send the reciept round the table! Absolutely infuriating what people would do to save a few quid....
By the way with regards to cost in restaurants as mentioned above yes Uk is high as is most of Europe but so are living costs.
In South Africa you can get a starter, fillet steak and drink at a nice restaurant for around 7 quid.
But remember the server who is working get's very little money. Some actually have no salary and live purely on tips. Infact it was only earlier this year a minimum wage was introduced, however it is only pounds per day.
So I think cost of meals are generally in line with average income and wages.
I'd hazard a guess that the non tippers and the non bill spliters are the same people. Tight is as tight does.. We have added 10% to our cost on card but the other couples have not and we have ended up throwing additional cash to cover.
That was annoying.
I find splitting bills the most annoying part of meals with groups.
Generally with our lads we just split it 4 ways unless someone has a 15 quid more expensive meal , we don't care about a few quid here and there
But with my Mrs and her friends and family , they send the reciept round the table! Absolutely infuriating what people would do to save a few quid....
By the way with regards to cost in restaurants as mentioned above yes Uk is high as is most of Europe but so are living costs.
In South Africa you can get a starter, fillet steak and drink at a nice restaurant for around 7 quid.
But remember the server who is working get's very little money. Some actually have no salary and live purely on tips. Infact it was only earlier this year a minimum wage was introduced, however it is only pounds per day.
So I think cost of meals are generally in line with average income and wages.
Eitherway life is to short to spend it with mean people, thankfully i don't come across it often.
holes, never tip and will only pay for exactly what they have ordered.The son in law put together a small menu at cost for the wifes birthday meal with female friends and family one year, at the restaurant he was head chef at, including free coffee and desserts, the SIL paid for exactly what she had and refused to leave a tip.
Ascayman said:
I'd hazard a guess that the non tippers and the non bill spliters are the same people. Tight is as tight does..
Eitherway life is to short to spend it with mean people, thankfully i don't come across it often.
Why on earth would you think that? Eitherway life is to short to spend it with mean people, thankfully i don't come across it often.
I take the view that a tip is something that should be forthcoming in return for better than expected service, especially when the cost of meals is so high in this country now.
Splitting the bill with friends, on the other hand, is just perfectly normal. The only exception I would make to that is where expensive wine is involved. I've had meals before now where I've not been drinking, then the wine ends up being more than half the bill and people still seem to think it's OK to suggest splitting the bill evenly!
Kermit power said:
Why on earth would you think that?
I take the view that a tip is something that should be forthcoming in return for better than expected service, especially when the cost of meals is so high in this country now.
Splitting the bill with friends, on the other hand, is just perfectly normal. The only exception I would make to that is where expensive wine is involved. I've had meals before now where I've not been drinking, then the wine ends up being more than half the bill and people still seem to think it's OK to suggest splitting the bill evenly!
Splitting the bill depends entirely on what has been orsered.I take the view that a tip is something that should be forthcoming in return for better than expected service, especially when the cost of meals is so high in this country now.
Splitting the bill with friends, on the other hand, is just perfectly normal. The only exception I would make to that is where expensive wine is involved. I've had meals before now where I've not been drinking, then the wine ends up being more than half the bill and people still seem to think it's OK to suggest splitting the bill evenly!
If the other couple have had fillet steak and two bottles of overpriced wine and we have not. Then not a chance am I splitting the bill.
If out with the lads then we usually have a kitty on the go or just split the bill if we go for a curry.
CustardOnChips said:
Kermit power said:
Why on earth would you think that?
I take the view that a tip is something that should be forthcoming in return for better than expected service, especially when the cost of meals is so high in this country now.
Splitting the bill with friends, on the other hand, is just perfectly normal. The only exception I would make to that is where expensive wine is involved. I've had meals before now where I've not been drinking, then the wine ends up being more than half the bill and people still seem to think it's OK to suggest splitting the bill evenly!
Splitting the bill depends entirely on what has been orsered.I take the view that a tip is something that should be forthcoming in return for better than expected service, especially when the cost of meals is so high in this country now.
Splitting the bill with friends, on the other hand, is just perfectly normal. The only exception I would make to that is where expensive wine is involved. I've had meals before now where I've not been drinking, then the wine ends up being more than half the bill and people still seem to think it's OK to suggest splitting the bill evenly!
If the other couple have had fillet steak and two bottles of overpriced wine and we have not. Then not a chance am I splitting the bill.
If out with the lads then we usually have a kitty on the go or just split the bill if we go for a curry.
I went in to our recent 2 family holiday with the view that we'd split all the bills 5/3 (being the family units). For some reason, on one meal, the other parent decided she wanted to calculate the exact cost, so we had to sit there whilst she went through the bill and added everything up. On a €147 bill, there was a 74 cent difference between her calculation and splitting it 5/3!
sas62 said:
Not sure this has been adequately investigated. Say you're out with another couple (I'll assume you have a partner). you get a bill for £90 for the 4 of you. The other couple say (as is pretty normal) £50 each ok to cover the tip.?
Do you say sorry here is my £45 - you sort out whatever tip you want I'm not involved?
If so, have you ever been out with the same couple more than once?
Genuinely curious.
My wife and I had a meal out the other week with one of my old friends who is tighter than a gnat's chuff, to a point where I think it's an OCD. I'd not seen him for a few years so had forgotten just how bad he is.Do you say sorry here is my £45 - you sort out whatever tip you want I'm not involved?
If so, have you ever been out with the same couple more than once?
Genuinely curious.
Unfortunately we couldn't order at the bar and had to share a bill. We sat and ordered. They bought out free drinks vouchers which were then used to 'haggle up' to get more expensive drinks than the voucher allowed, ordered the daily special (cheapest thing on the menu), another lemonade, then two more discounted drinks that came with the meal.
At the end of the night I paid and left a tip. My 'mate' said his bit of the bill was incorrect (I realised later he'd 'forgotten' he'd had a lemonade) and managed to get all the drinks he'd had removed off his bill.
After all that he didn't pay a penny more than the pittance his bill had been knocked down to and after getting better drinks than his voucher allowed him to have.
As a consequence I won't be going out for a meal with them ever again.
Kermit power said:
ZedLeg said:
The minimum wage in France works out to £9.42 at today's exchange rate. There's your 10-15%.
So what you're saying is that French restaurants are paying their staff 10-15% more than UK ones, yet still managing to charge significantly less? Roman Rhodes said:
Kermit power said:
ZedLeg said:
The minimum wage in France works out to £9.42 at today's exchange rate. There's your 10-15%.
So what you're saying is that French restaurants are paying their staff 10-15% more than UK ones, yet still managing to charge significantly less? 
I take it you've not read my previous post?
I've just got back from 2 weeks on holiday, of which a week was in France and a week in Spain. In both locations, we were averaging meals for 8 at between €100-120. In comparison, I generally struggle to get a family meal for 5 below £100 in the UK. Despite Sterling currently being in the toilet, we were getting better quality food for quite a bit less. Of course there are places where you pay a vast tourist tax mark-up compared to even a couple of streets away, but then you get that in the UK as well...
Needless to say, that's also €100-120 without any tip being expected, not with the irrational expectation of having to pay another 10-15% on top.
Foliage said:
In the UK I leave a small tip for exceptional service, this isn't the frigging US, we have a minimum wage.
And often the automatic tips get stolen by the company.
It's getting ridiculous now in the UK. Nearly every bloody shop has a tip jar on the counter.And often the automatic tips get stolen by the company.
My coffee shop which only serves coffee has a tip jar, my pizza place has one. They are doing their job and not going out of their way or serving a entire table in a restaurant.
I remember many years ago spending upwards of an hour helping customer pick and choose materials then having to carry it all too their vehicle. I rarely if ever got a tip and never expected one either.
Kermit power said:
I agree, but tend to find there's not often much of a difference in food costs. It's the booze that makes the difference.
I went in to our recent 2 family holiday with the view that we'd split all the bills 5/3 (being the family units). For some reason, on one meal, the other parent decided she wanted to calculate the exact cost, so we had to sit there whilst she went through the bill and added everything up. On a €147 bill, there was a 74 cent difference between her calculation and splitting it 5/3!
Food can have a big difference. Fillet steak is nno in the region of £25. Plus another £2 for sauce and another £5 for sides. I went in to our recent 2 family holiday with the view that we'd split all the bills 5/3 (being the family units). For some reason, on one meal, the other parent decided she wanted to calculate the exact cost, so we had to sit there whilst she went through the bill and added everything up. On a €147 bill, there was a 74 cent difference between her calculation and splitting it 5/3!
Compared to a £12/15 pasta dish or chicken, the differnce adds up pretty quickly.
Edited by CustardOnChips on Thursday 22 August 19:35
Kermit power said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Kermit power said:
ZedLeg said:
The minimum wage in France works out to £9.42 at today's exchange rate. There's your 10-15%.
So what you're saying is that French restaurants are paying their staff 10-15% more than UK ones, yet still managing to charge significantly less? I take it you've not read my previous post?
I've just got back from 2 weeks on holiday, of which a week was in France and a week in Spain. In both locations, we were averaging meals for 8 at between €100-120. In comparison, I generally struggle to get a family meal for 5 below £100 in the UK. Despite Sterling currently being in the toilet, we were getting better quality food for quite a bit less. Of course there are places where you pay a vast tourist tax mark-up compared to even a couple of streets away, but then you get that in the UK as well...
Needless to say, that's also €100-120 without any tip being expected, not with the irrational expectation of having to pay another 10-15% on top.
BigMon said:
My wife and I had a meal out the other week with one of my old friends who is tighter than a gnat's chuff, to a point where I think it's an OCD. I'd not seen him for a few years so had forgotten just how bad he is.
Unfortunately we couldn't order at the bar and had to share a bill. We sat and ordered. They bought out free drinks vouchers which were then used to 'haggle up' to get more expensive drinks than the voucher allowed, ordered the daily special (cheapest thing on the menu), another lemonade, then two more discounted drinks that came with the meal.
At the end of the night I paid and left a tip. My 'mate' said his bit of the bill was incorrect (I realised later he'd 'forgotten' he'd had a lemonade) and managed to get all the drinks he'd had removed off his bill.
After all that he didn't pay a penny more than the pittance his bill had been knocked down to and after getting better drinks than his voucher allowed him to have.
As a consequence I won't be going out for a meal with them ever again.
It worked! Can’t beat the taste of free lemonade and now the bonus of not having to bother seeing old friends with more money than sense again. Unfortunately we couldn't order at the bar and had to share a bill. We sat and ordered. They bought out free drinks vouchers which were then used to 'haggle up' to get more expensive drinks than the voucher allowed, ordered the daily special (cheapest thing on the menu), another lemonade, then two more discounted drinks that came with the meal.
At the end of the night I paid and left a tip. My 'mate' said his bit of the bill was incorrect (I realised later he'd 'forgotten' he'd had a lemonade) and managed to get all the drinks he'd had removed off his bill.
After all that he didn't pay a penny more than the pittance his bill had been knocked down to and after getting better drinks than his voucher allowed him to have.
As a consequence I won't be going out for a meal with them ever again.
talksthetorque said:
It worked! Can’t beat the taste of free lemonade and now the bonus of not having to bother seeing old friends with more money than sense again.
I just have no interest in socializing with tight people. Experience and a pleasant evening is much more important. Even when I was young it irritated me. Fortunately the majority of people are just fine and nobody counts the pennies. paulwirral said:
I've already been insulted on this thread by a " big tipper " but I'm curious to know how many times a week the 10% + tipping crew eat out a week ?
It's a genuine question and I'm not trying to add to the already somewhat divided opinions.
Twice a week when home, but travel about a week a month and eat out then.It's a genuine question and I'm not trying to add to the already somewhat divided opinions.
I spend half my life away from home , 3 x meals per day and depending where you eat the till options can start at 15% . My work partner will dine in fast food joints just so he does't have to tip , he also collects vouchers from chain stores to save a few cents on fuel for his huge dually and 5th wheel RV, life is too short for that nonsense . Get good service and a decent meal then give the waitress a decent tip .
Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
Edited by fttm on Friday 23 August 05:18
fttm said:
I spend half my life away from home , 3 x meals per day and depending where you eat the till options can start at 15% . My work partner will dine in fast food joints just so he does't have to tip , he also collects vouchers from chain stores to save a few cents on fuel for his huge dually and 5th wheel RV, life is too short for that nonsense . Get good service and a decent meal then give the waitress a decent tip .
Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
I hope you were on the east coast if your beer spelling is off at 4am UK time!Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
Edited by fttm on Friday 23 August 05:18
My previous employers didn't allow to claim for tips and was UK based.
I didn't tip because I was there for work, the same as the people serving me, and had a paltry meal allowance of £22 a day.
So it wasn't me being tight!
My employers now ( US based ) allow us to claim for tips and I have a decent daily budget - enough to buy meals I would choose when dining out for pleasure.
So now I do when I feel it appropriate and I'm away on business.
fttm said:
I spend half my life away from home , 3 x meals per day and depending where you eat the till options can start at 15% . My work partner will dine in fast food joints just so he does't have to tip , he also collects vouchers from chain stores to save a few cents on fuel for his huge dually and 5th wheel RV, life is too short for that nonsense . Get good service and a decent meal then give the waitress a decent tip .
Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
No, no, no Just back from a fundraiser in my local , bar tab was $56 , paid $70 , Guinness well poured and fresh pints before the previous was drained , plus the waitress is a student off back to college next week and she'll maybe get 2/300 in tips tonight from her serving area of the bar .
Edit ,spelling , maybe too many beers
Edited by fttm on Friday 23 August 05:18
according to one tight-wad on here the waitress “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn't be restricted to NMW crappy jobs. This notion that we should take pity on them and subsidise their income by showering them with generous tips is frankly ludicrous.” You could have had a ‘fun’ night out with them and saved money too! talksthetorque said:
I hope you were on the east coast if your beer spelling is off at 4am UK time!
My previous employers didn't allow to claim for tips and was UK based.
I didn't tip because I was there for work, the same as the people serving me, and had a paltry meal allowance of £22 a day.
So it wasn't me being tight!
My employers now ( US based ) allow us to claim for tips and I have a decent daily budget - enough to buy meals I would choose when dining out for pleasure.
So now I do when I feel it appropriate and I'm away on business.
This is a perfect example of what I mentioned earlier.....My previous employers didn't allow to claim for tips and was UK based.
I didn't tip because I was there for work, the same as the people serving me, and had a paltry meal allowance of £22 a day.
So it wasn't me being tight!
My employers now ( US based ) allow us to claim for tips and I have a decent daily budget - enough to buy meals I would choose when dining out for pleasure.
So now I do when I feel it appropriate and I'm away on business.
Happy to leave a decent tip when feels appropriate, when it’s not their own money so costs them zero personally.
Seemingly generous when it’s costing them zero. (so kind of a hollow gesture too)
Refuses to tip when has to come out of their own pocket, even though it might be appropriate.
So would rather behave in what they feel is an inappropriate manner, if the appropriate reaction would cost them any money.
This is the very definition of ‘I’m tight and it IS all about the money, but will take my denials to my grave’
It’s also a perfect example of ‘Everything I say I am, that’s what I’m not’
I did not intend to having a pop a you, and we can all do this too, as we’re all walking contradictions.
However, I’d like to suggest that instead of ‘Talking the Torque’, you..........
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