waiter unhappy with tip

[fiju]

Here's a tip... Get a better job.

The only person I tip is my barber, only a couple of quid, but he appreciates it and spends 45 mins giving me a decent trim.

Restaurant staff can FRO. I detest this tipping culture, especially when it's added on as an 'optional service charge' to my bill. I flat out refuse to pay that. I go to a restaurant to eat, sitting at a table and being served is part of the parcel. If they want more money, increase the price of the food. If waiters want more money, ask your boss for a pay rise. I'm the customer, not your employer. GTFO. I don't care if it makes me look like a , I won't be guilt tripped into paying more than I have to.

[Sheepshanks]

Cotty said:

Just out of interest how many of the people in this thread received tips for the job you do. I don't.

Would you include bonus's in that? I imagine most PHers get those. I do, and my wife who used to be a civil servant, got two levels of bonus, one was department wide, and the other was personal.

[Fastpedeller]

Muzzer79 said:

I tip as a matter of course in areas where I think the operative is genuinely low-paid - the only example I can think of is at the car wash. Those guys are not on minimum wage.....

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He gets a commission from the local bodyshop who have to fix all the swirls his gritty sponge has caused to your paintwork

[bearman68]

I'm a skinflint. Never tip, never worry about it.
Very happy to offer good feedback on the food if it's nice, and I'll usually avoid saying something terrible

[anonymous-user]

Went out for a meal with three friends, the bill came to a couple of hundred quid, with half being food and half being booze. The service was OK, nothing special, it didn't seem right that the tip should be a percentage of the whole lot when drinks have such a massive mark up, think we ended up leaving £15 rather than 12.5% of the total bill.
Most of the time I don't mind if service is automatically added to the bill - I don't want a memory of the evening to be a nagging doubt about did I tip enough, or not enough?

[jules_s]

I eat out more than most - maybe 1 or two times a week

It is now far more the norm for the SC to be 'included' - but everywhere (bar 1 place) if you ask the waiter/ess if they want a cash tip they take it off and take the money

The other place is dripping in staff. They literally wait on you hand and foot - so problem there with an inc tip

The thing is if you are a repeat customer (and tip accordingy) you get all sorts of benefits. Best table, best service, no waiting time, comp this comp that

More often the 'included' tip is covered by a free course or a free drink while you wait for the taxi they happily book for you

I'm not sure any of that would be on the cards if I consistently removed the tip.

[tannhauser]

DickyC said:

Tipping started in Britain and was well established by the 17th Century.

Now it's part of the occasion. It's theatre. If a place expects you to tip and you don't want to, go somewhere else; McDonald's or somewhere.

Sake.

What a load of bks. Theatre?

"Sake" indeed. Wasn't exactly blown away by sake.

[tannhauser]

fiju said:

Here's a tip... Get a better job.

The only person I tip is my barber, only a couple of quid, but he appreciates it and spends 45 mins giving me a decent trim.

Restaurant staff can FRO. I detest this tipping culture, especially when it's added on as an 'optional service charge' to my bill. I flat out refuse to pay that. I go to a restaurant to eat, sitting at a table and being served is part of the parcel. If they want more money, increase the price of the food. If waiters want more money, ask your boss for a pay rise. I'm the customer, not your employer. GTFO. I don't care if it makes me look like a , I won't be guilt tripped into paying more than I have to.

Really don't get this. You detest tipping culture, yet tip your barber? Who also, is paid to do a job?! Possibly even owns the business? WTF?

[fiju]

Yeah I tip him because I feel like tipping him. He provides a great level of service, and continues to provide it time after time. There's a difference between that and tipping culture.
He does a top job every time, he doesn't charge me to do my beard (£6), and I leave knowing that I can't get a better trim anywhere. He doesn't own the business so I know me giving him £2 means a lot to him (and it saves me £4 by doing so).

[buzzer]

RDMcG said:

Standard in Canada and the US and nobody( apart from British people apparently) minds. If there is bad service, fair enough- leave no tip. Waiters are taxed here on an assumed amount of tipping even if they do not actually receive that much, so not tipping could actually cost them money if enough people are tightwads.

I use Uber all the time instead of regular taxis, and the system rates the driver, and the passenger. It is solely on credit card and you tip subsequently. Of course non-tippers end up with a poor rating by the drivers, and poorly-rated people do not get their cars so quickly. Perfect balance here. Cheaper fare as you don't tip, worse service if you don't tip. Seems like a fair deal to me.

Uber driver has to rate you after the journey and before you tip...

[DickyC]

tannhauser said:

DickyC said:

Tipping started in Britain and was well established by the 17th Century.

Now it's part of the occasion. It's theatre. If a place expects you to tip and you don't want to, go somewhere else; McDonald's or somewhere.

Sake.

What a load of bks. Theatre?

"Sake" indeed. Wasn't exactly blown away by sake.

We're a fifth of the way through the 21st Century and you want to eat in a place where people are employed to bring food to your table with personal service and be well dressed and agreeable and knowledgable and do a little dance and sing a little song? Of course it's theatre. Non tippers in this situation have joined a club but don't want to abide by the rules. Just tip them.

You'll be telling me next you don't tip taxi drivers.

[Robertj21a]

DickyC said:

tannhauser said:

DickyC said:

Tipping started in Britain and was well established by the 17th Century.

Now it's part of the occasion. It's theatre. If a place expects you to tip and you don't want to, go somewhere else; McDonald's or somewhere.

Sake.

What a load of bks. Theatre?

"Sake" indeed. Wasn't exactly blown away by sake.

We're a fifth of the way through the 21st Century and you want to eat in a place where people are employed to bring food to your table with personal service and be well dressed and agreeable and knowledgable and do a little dance and sing a little song? Of course it's theatre. Non tippers in this situation have joined a club but don't want to abide by the rules. Just tip them.

You'll be telling me next you don't tip taxi drivers.

I'm not sure what century you're living in but the 21st century shouldn't be a party to tipping for just a standard service. It simply ensures that management will continue to pay poorly for as long as they can get away with it. If they can't afford to pay properly they should put up the basic prices, or close down.
By all means, add a tip for service that is significantly over what you might have reasonably expected. Just don't tip for mediocrity.

[easytiger123]

Jesus Christ there's some tight arses and miserable gits on here!

It's part of going out to any vaguely half-decent restaurant. You tip. It's almost always added to the bill in this country and unless the service is truly appalling (which has maybe happened on a handful of occasions in 35+yrs of eating out 2 to 3 times a week), I always pay it without a second thought and more often than not, especially if it's a regular haunt, I'll bung the waiter some extra cash on top of the tip. I cannot fking stand people who whine about tipping. And before anyone says anything, it has absolutely nothing to do with your own financial circumstances and absolutely everything to do with being cheap.

[petemurphy]

easytiger123 said:

Jesus Christ there's some tight arses and miserable gits on here!

It's part of going out to any vaguely half-decent restaurant. You tip. It's almost always added to the bill in this country and unless the service is truly appalling (which has maybe happened on a handful of occasions in 35+yrs of eating out 2 to 3 times a week), I always pay it without a second thought and more often than not, especially if it's a regular haunt, I'll bung the waiter some extra cash on top of the tip. I cannot fking stand people who whine about tipping. And before anyone says anything, it has absolutely nothing to do with your own financial circumstances and absolutely everything to do with being cheap.

what utter nonsense

[Mr Roper]

Edible Roadkill said:

Just been last month and I thought the service there was crap compared to back into the UK. Grudged the 15% tip on many occasions. That’s if they could seat you in the restaurant which at times was nearly empty with only 1-2 waitresses working.

Amount of times we were sat squashed up in the doorway with 3 tired young kids because they couldn’t seat us was shocking!

I’d prefer the restaurant just paid proper wage and added it to the bill.

I visit States/Florida fairly often so I'm quite used to tipping. Last time while staying in the tourist trap my light lunch bill came to under $40...Handed over a $100 bill and then waited ages for his return. In the end I had to hunt him down to which he explained that it's not uncommon for the change to be left as a tip "as its the norm here".
Was promptly told to not be a cheeky piss taking little st and to give me my money. No tip left on that occasion.

That's very rare though.

Back over again in few weeks for more

[Cotty]

easytiger123 said:

Jesus Christ there's some tight arses and miserable gits on here!

It has got nothing to do with being tight. Put the price they want for the meal and service on the menu and people will choose to pay it or not. That way you take away the moral dilemma from customers who just want a nice meal.

[anonymous-user]

Cotty said:

easytiger123 said:

Jesus Christ there's some tight arses and miserable gits on here!

It has got nothing to do with being tight. Put the price they want for the meal and service on the menu and people will choose to pay it or not. That way you take away the moral dilemma from customers who just want a nice meal.

Anytime anyone says it's not about the money... It's absolutely about the money

[Robertj21a]

easytiger123 said:

Jesus Christ there's some tight arses and miserable gits on here!

It's part of going out to any vaguely half-decent restaurant. You tip. It's almost always added to the bill in this country and unless the service is truly appalling (which has maybe happened on a handful of occasions in 35+yrs of eating out 2 to 3 times a week), I always pay it without a second thought and more often than not, especially if it's a regular haunt, I'll bung the waiter some extra cash on top of the tip. I cannot fking stand people who whine about tipping. And before anyone says anything, it has absolutely nothing to do with your own financial circumstances and absolutely everything to do with being cheap.

Perhaps you need to get some facts right.

It's nothing at all to do with being a 'tight arse' over money. It's all to do with why do you feel *obliged* to tip for what has only been a very basic service. You tip for better than expected service, not what they're employed to do.
Do you tip train staff, the supermarket checkout operator, bank staff etc ??

[steveo3002]

madness ....tip someone for carrying a plate of food 30 secs across the room

get a live saving operation, nurses wipng your bum etc - nothing

[DickyC]

petemurphy said:

what utter nonsense

Would you care to expand on that?

In my experience, harumphing isn't a good debating technique.