Veal - do you eat it?

[mechsympathy]

coolcatmaz said:

hmmm, I wonder what the cost would be and how easy to get a sickling pig over here

My local butcher wouldn't get me one, arguing they were too young to die.

[Don]

I had some suckling pig in Spain recently. Absolutely beautiful. The meat was super tender and chef had got the skin superbly crisp. You can buy it here - but only from specialists. That and a whole one is a LOT of meat - it's got to be quite a party before you'd eat it all. I'd love to roast one for Christmas dinner...

[Don]

http://www.pughspiglets.co.uk/

[coolcatmaz]

Don said:

http://www.pughspiglets.co.uk/

yummy. very tempting to contact them and see how much a piggy would be.

[neilsfishing]

mechsympathy said:

coolcatmaz said:

hmmm, I wonder what the cost would be and how easy to get a sickling pig over here

My local butcher wouldn't get me one, arguing they were too young to die.

I treehuging butcher find another butcher meet is meet

[curtisl]

I love veal!! oh, it's so good. there used to be a restaurant in bromley called capisanos and they done sausage meat with chilli wrapped in veal! heaven!!

[P7 TUS]

neilsfishing said:

mechsympathy said:

coolcatmaz said:

hmmm, I wonder what the cost would be and how easy to get a sickling pig over here

My local butcher wouldn't get me one, arguing they were too young to die.

I treehuging butcher find another butcher meet is meet

Did you mean meat is meat?

[coolcatmaz]

I went to Cornwall at the weekend with my local TVRCC and we had the pleasure of the Cornish TVRCC joining us for a hoon. My driver for the afternoon breeds piggies and we got on to the subject (like you do) of suckling pig. He said if he'd known he could have got one of his piglets prepared for me.

I shall hold him to that for when I next visit that neck of the region

[Mobile Chicane]

Yes but only 'pink' veal which has been raised 'at heel' with its mother rather than crated. (Unobtainable in the UK, I think.)

[Scraggles]

would like to get horse meat, but some people have an issue with it, so their old horses get shipped over to france to be cut to pieces instead

[RobM77]

I'm astonished at the shortsightedness on here Do you guys know what veal production entails? Eating a horse or a dog is an entirely different matter - that's just a sentimental thing that Westerners have because we keep those animals as pets, so poo-pooing that is understandable - the horses raised for meat are reared just like cows and slaughtered just like cows. The issue is with veal is completely different - it's not an empty sentimental thing, it's just cruel. I'm certainly no tree hugging leftie, but I'm utterly astonished that you guys accept such treatment as normal and acceptable?! Truly bizarre.

[escargot]

RobM77 said:

I'm astonished at the shortsightedness on here Do you guys know what veal production entails? Eating a horse or a dog is an entirely different matter - that's just a sentimental thing that Westerners have because we keep those animals as pets, so poo-pooing that is understandable - the horses raised for meat are reared just like cows and slaughtered just like cows. The issue is with veal is completely different - it's not an empty sentimental thing, it's just cruel. I'm certainly no tree hugging leftie, but I'm utterly astonished that you guys accept such treatment as normal and acceptable?! Truly bizarre.

You obviously need educating then as you have NO idea what it entails at all.

Eating rose veal which is a by product of the milk industry is in NO WAY cruel whatsoever. In fact, it's arguably better use of the carcass than simply sending it off to be chopped up into pig swill or whatever they do. Essentially the male cows are useless on a milk farm so simply get shot. Are you seriously telling me it's then cruel to eat it when the cow has had lots of chance to run around as a normal cow would?

ETA: Quote from wikipedia.

Wikipedia said:

# Rosé Veal UK is from calves reared on farms in association with the UK RSPCA's stringent Freedom Foods programme. Its name comes from its pink colour, which is a result of the calf's being culled at around 35 weeks. [4]

I'm astounded that you'd post that rant without checking your facts out before coming here and posting your 'cruel' sensationalised bullst.

Edited by escargot on Wednesday 30th July 12:36

[Plotloss]

RobM77 said:

I'm astonished at the shortsightedness on here Do you guys know what veal production entails? Eating a horse or a dog is an entirely different matter - that's just a sentimental thing that Westerners have because we keep those animals as pets, so poo-pooing that is understandable - the horses raised for meat are reared just like cows and slaughtered just like cows. The issue is with veal is completely different - it's not an empty sentimental thing, it's just cruel. I'm certainly no tree hugging leftie, but I'm utterly astonished that you guys accept such treatment as normal and acceptable?! Truly bizarre.

Before jumping on your high horse look up the difference between rose veal and white veal.

Then look why a lot of people on this thread have said that they would eat rose but not white.

[sleep envy]

RobM77 said:

I'm astonished at the shortsightedness on here Do you guys know what veal production entails?

from your comment it's evident you don't

[RobM77]

That's a bit reactionary, unless you didn't understand my post? I wasn't referring to the people who've quite rightly made a distinction between the types of veal they'll eat. Obviously I was referring to white veal produced using traditional continental methods. I've no problem with young calves being slaughtered or the production of veal under guidelines in the uk. What astonished me was the people comparing veal to eating dogs or horses, which is a ridiculous and ill informed comparison (apologies if that wasn't clear). It seems to me that people were more keen to illustrate how little they cared about animal welfare by using horses and dogs as a comparison. The anti-veal campaign is a matter of animal welfare relating to the continental production of white veal, and in no way related to sentimental campaigns regarding horse meat in France. Any suggestion of such a link is laughably ignorant.

I fi caused any offence, then I apoligise. Now I'm back at my desk I can see more of the thread than I could on my phone at lunch, so I can see that a good number of people have made the distinction. That distinction between humane and inhumane veal is critical though.

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 30th July 13:01

[mechsympathy]

Would you like some help filling that hole back in?

[RobM77]

mechsympathy said:

Would you like some help filling that hole back in?

Would you like some help reading my original post?

[andrew830]

white veal comes from calves that have had no fibre in there diet they are fed on just milk,they dont have straw for bedding as the calves would eat this and turn the meat pink.calves used to be reared in crates with wooden slatted floors but now this has been phased out and more modern animal friendly units have been built.up until last week lots of bull calves from the uk were going to holland but tb has put an end to that for a while.there has been a few atempts in the uk to get veal production going but its such a small market in this country it it not viable.a lot of bull calves are now shot at birth.earlier in the topic someone said about leaving the calf on the mother for veal,the suckler cows which you could use for this are beef breeds.not many farmers are going to slaughter a beef calf at such a young age because it couldnt earn enough money.selling a calf at 200 kg or a bullock at 800kg is a huge difference in value.as for leaving calves on dairy cows its the same its just uneconimic to do it.