iHalal food - what if you are against it?

[968]

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

[4nonymous]

So what are OPs principles? Or is he being a little bh about it ?

At the end of the day it's just meat, boo hoo, come on people !

[Glassman]

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

[968]

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

Your loss. The food is fantastic. What a shame that you would limit yourself in such a way.

[Pickled Piper]

Ry_B said:

I don't eat the Halal meat out of principal, not because I am religious, but I don't agree with it. How is it fair that there is no none Halal meat option?

It's not fair. You have a perfectly reasonable attitude towards halal meat that is shared by many others. You really need to take this up with your employer although I doubt, they will thank you for it.

What other medieval practices are they going to bring in just because it suits 75% of their workforce?

pp

[968]

Pickled Piper said:

Ry_B said:

I don't eat the Halal meat out of principal, not because I am religious, but I don't agree with it. How is it fair that there is no none Halal meat option?

It's not fair. You have a perfectly reasonable attitude towards halal meat that is shared by many others. You really need to take this up with your employer although I doubt, they will thank you for it.

What other medieval practices are they going to bring in just because it suits 75% of their workforce?

pp

Hmm not sure, but seems to be pretty par for the course in New York City to offer Kosher food. No problems there though. Odd that.

Edited to add, the medieval practice you speak of is pretty much the same as conventional slaughter methods, ie animals are often stunned before slaughter as has been pointed out above.

Edited by 968 on Wednesday 25th November 00:06

[grumbledoak]

968 said:

Hmm not sure, but seems to be pretty par for the course in New York City to offer Kosher food. No problems there though. Odd that.

I'm pretty sure that is par for the course in Israel, too. Not much relevance here.

But, as you are contributing, is there any problem with stunned Kosher? I couldn't find one, though I'd admit I'm not that well informed.

Could the UK not simply insist on adherence to our own animal slaughter rules without infringing somewhat ancient minority rules? They do seem to be compatible as far as I have read.

[968]

grumbledoak said:

968 said:

Hmm not sure, but seems to be pretty par for the course in New York City to offer Kosher food. No problems there though. Odd that.

I'm pretty sure that is par for the course in Israel, too. Not much relevance here.

Relevance is that I bet the posters who are disgusted and full of objection would probably have no problem eating Kosher food, though it's exactly the same. And if they've been to NYC (or London for that matter) many of the Restaurants serve Kosher/Halal.

grumbledoak said:

But, as you are contributing, is there any problem with stunned Kosher? I couldn't find one, though I'd admit I'm not that well informed.

Could the UK not simply insist on adherence to our own animal slaughter rules without infringing somewhat ancient minority rules? They do seem to be compatible as far as I have read.

To be honest, I don't know enough about Kosher. I think it's basically the same as Halal in the conditions of the animal and method of slaughter, but there will be posters such as S 8 GRN who know much more than I do about it!

[grumbledoak]

968 said:

I think it's basically the same as Halal in the conditions of the animal and method of slaughter, but there will be posters such as S 8 GRN who know much more than I do about it!

Pretty much my understanding of it. But hardly worth trying to drag someone else into the debate.

It just seems a shame - as far as I can tell all three 'groups' could easily bury the hatchet on this one and remove one of our differences. And we don't.

No doubt this is in someone's interest, somewhere...

[968]

grumbledoak said:

968 said:

I think it's basically the same as Halal in the conditions of the animal and method of slaughter, but there will be posters such as S 8 GRN who know much more than I do about it!

Pretty much my understanding of it. But hardly worth trying to drag someone else into the debate.

It just seems a shame - as far as I can tell all three 'groups' could easily bury the hatchet on this one and remove one of our differences. And we don't.

No doubt this is in someone's interest, somewhere...

Well I've no problem with it either way, to be honest. It amuses me how suddenly people develop animal rights principles over such issues, but seem to forget them when tucking into a BK/Macs/KFC or any other supermarket bought piece of processed cheap meat.

[grumbledoak]

968 said:

It amuses me how suddenly people develop animal rights principles over such issues, but seem to forget them when tucking into a BK/Macs/KFC or any other supermarket bought piece of processed cheap meat.

That will be the increasingly different groups in our society; some are rapidly heading for U.S. levels of obesity and sloth; yet other groups are pretty much the 'organic' and 'vegetarian' capital of the world.

Sense? I think not.

[Glassman]

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

Your loss. The food is fantastic. What a shame that you would limit yourself in such a way.

I prefer the Indian food from Hounslow and Southall if I do go for a 'curry'.

[anonymous-user]

968 said:

grumbledoak said:

968 said:

I think it's basically the same as Halal in the conditions of the animal and method of slaughter, but there will be posters such as S 8 GRN who know much more than I do about it!

Pretty much my understanding of it. But hardly worth trying to drag someone else into the debate.

It just seems a shame - as far as I can tell all three 'groups' could easily bury the hatchet on this one and remove one of our differences. And we don't.

No doubt this is in someone's interest, somewhere...

Well I've no problem with it either way, to be honest. It amuses me how suddenly people develop animal rights principles over such issues, but seem to forget them when tucking into a BK/Macs/KFC or any other supermarket bought piece of processed cheap meat.

+1,

Maybe i'm being cynical but i suspect its the f-islam brigade getting all pc and feeling victimised over things they have never given a second thought before...

[968]

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

Your loss. The food is fantastic. What a shame that you would limit yourself in such a way.

I prefer the Indian food from Hounslow and Southall if I do go for a 'curry'.

Well a lot of that is halal too, must've tasted like ashes to you.

[Glassman]

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

Your loss. The food is fantastic. What a shame that you would limit yourself in such a way.

I prefer the Indian food from Hounslow and Southall if I do go for a 'curry'.

Well a lot of that is halal too, must've tasted like ashes to you.

Total bks.

[4nonymous]

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

968 said:

Glassman said:

If I see 'Halal' I walk past and go somewhere where they serve bacon.

What a shame, particularly if you're on the Curry mile in Manchester or Brick Lane......

I would never go to either. For anything.

Your loss. The food is fantastic. What a shame that you would limit yourself in such a way.

I prefer the Indian food from Hounslow and Southall if I do go for a 'curry'.

Well a lot of that is halal too, must've tasted like ashes to you.

Total bks.

Indeed , I wouldn't say alot, I would say all of it.

[Don]

I would be more concerned about the quality of the LIFE the animals led.

There's the real place to look for stuff to turn you veggie.

Since you can buy ethically produced, humanely killed meat why do so many people buy stuff that isn't?

Because its £2 at Tescos.

[Glassman]

Other than what Islamic law permits, is there any other benefit - like taste, for example - for the meat of an animal which was slaughtered by the 'Dhabiha' method?

[RizzoTheRat]

grumbledoak said:

Roger645 said:

A friend who runs a slaughterhouse supplies sheep for some moslem festivals and he stuns them then the holy bloke slits the throat.

Our laws in this respect are compatible.

And, due to them being laws, presumably they still apply in the case of Halal slaughter houses, ie surely they have to stun the animals and ministry vets have to be present to oversee the process just as in any non Halal slaughterhouse?

[Emsman]

Mrs emsman works in catering, and has just had to source halal meat for a tiny contingent of pupils at one of the schools she provides to.

Personally, i have no views on how the meat is killed, but can see the OP's point.

A tiny minority is allowed to insist that the meat is killed in the way specific to their religion- fair enough.
My gripe concerns the fact that in the reverse situation, the opposite need not apply.
I would rather eat meat that i know the source, the wellbeing of the animal prior to slaughter and so on, but if i insisted on it, i would be told to sod off. As its a minority group being catered for, they (once again) seem to be able to call the shots.