Wine auctions

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Nefarious

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989 posts

266 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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Anyone ever bought wine at auction? Never done it before, but I'm looking at buying a couple of cases of Port at a Christies Fine Wine auction.

Any hints, tips or advice?

I'm assuming that if I stick to big name auction houses then that ensures that the sellers are all large scale merchants and all the wines have been properly stored etc.

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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I've bought port in such a manner. Basically, its all in the labelling and the bottle seal. Essential to view, and ask any advice if the expert is about.If that's not practical., consult by phone. Always be aware of situations where items essentially the same have very different pro rata estimates. It can be just different vendors stipulating different reserves, it can be other things of course.

Its UK law, that an auctioneer cannot give an estimate that is below any reserve (if there is one) placed on the lot.

Obviously , the seal is of import , as if not sound the wine is useless , and of course, there has been label forgery going on. You are doing the right thing in going to an established specialist seller, who should be able to spot these things.

Obviously, you've done your work on the respective vintages/growers, and what the merchants are retailing them at. Although , that can be done fairly quickly once the cat has been received.

Other than that, set your own bid limit, do not go beyond it, never forget the buyers premium!!

Pip Pip!

escargot

17,110 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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Beb's your man for this.

Bebs

2,917 posts

282 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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escargot said:
Beb's your man for this.
I was the auctioneer at Christie's wine department from 1990 to 2006 so I know a little bit about it wink
What would you like to know?

Nefarious

Original Poster:

989 posts

266 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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Bebs said:
I was the auctioneer at Christie's wine department from 1990 to 2006 so I know a little bit about it wink
What would you like to know?
If we're talking about, let's say Christie's (or somewhere else equivelantly top-end), can I safely see, say, a case of 63 Fonseca in the catelogue and just bid on it online/over the phone, knowing that it'll be exactly as described (i.e. A1), having been properly stored/transported etc etc?

(I've actually already taken the plunge and just bid on something coming up at the auction tomorrow, so fingers crossed I can rescue at least one case from the clutches of the investors and actually drink it!)

Beardy10

23,302 posts

176 months

Wednesday 24th March 2010
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I am no expert but surely you need to know about where it's been stored and whether it's circumnavigated the globe a few times ? No idea if Christies do check this !

Bebs

2,917 posts

282 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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Nefarious said:
Bebs said:
I was the auctioneer at Christie's wine department from 1990 to 2006 so I know a little bit about it wink
What would you like to know?
If we're talking about, let's say Christie's (or somewhere else equivelantly top-end), can I safely see, say, a case of 63 Fonseca in the catelogue and just bid on it online/over the phone, knowing that it'll be exactly as described (i.e. A1), having been properly stored/transported etc etc?

(I've actually already taken the plunge and just bid on something coming up at the auction tomorrow, so fingers crossed I can rescue at least one case from the clutches of the investors and actually drink it!)
The description in the catalogue will be pretty accurate. If there is a problem when you receive the case just go back to them. Ask for Chris Munro and tell him I sent you. Its highly unlikely you will need to. Lots are all inspected and carefully catalogued.
The majority of lots come out of bonded warehouse or large private cellars. Rule of thumb is that anyone that has wines as this sort of value are aware of what it is and will store it correctly. Its a great way of picking up wine at below or at trade value yes

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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I buy several cases most months. It's the ideal way to add wine ready fgor drinking to your cellar. Before I started buying at auction, I had plenty of wine for the later part of this decade and the next, but little for now.

Akers

463 posts

236 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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So, Nefarious, did you get a case of the Fonseca '63? Bidding got a bit rich for my blood, pickup up lots 278 & 279 though, so not a bad day in the end! Chin Chin! drink



Edited by Akers on Thursday 25th March 14:49

Bebs

2,917 posts

282 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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Mixed case of Fonseca/Dow 83 and 24 btls Taylor 85 yes
Nice.
Sorry about the Fonseca - I actually bought both cases thumbup

Akers

463 posts

236 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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No worries, the Fonseca '63 weren't for me anyway. biggrin
Prices seem to have jumped a bit since I last bought a few cases at sotheby's this time last year, or maybe that was just a slow day. Anyhoo at least I've now got a few bottles to keep me going.

Bebs

2,917 posts

282 months

Thursday 25th March 2010
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Taylor 85 is a great wine. We should do a port and cigar evening chaps bandit
BTW, if you get the chance to buy some Graham 1980 go for it. Its well under rated, cheap and absolutely stunning yes