80’s music just the best and most enduring?

80’s music just the best and most enduring?

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marcosgt

11,021 posts

176 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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hepy said:
If you think Eighties music (with very few exceptions) was great, you weren't there.

One national radio station playing the same rubbish, day after day, and regional stations doing the same. Plus music was relatively expensive to buy.

Absolutley awful until 88-89 when dance music started to have an effect on guitar bands leading to Madchester.

Kids these days are lucky that they have such a diverse choice of genres and multiple ways to listen to them.

The eighties were crap - ignore all the nostalgia programs that say they were great, they weren't.
Well, there was Radio Luxembourg and Capital, if you lived anywhere near London - Probably not much better, but, really, where is the amazing quality in having more radio stations now? Lots of trashy stations, around, just hundreds to choose from.

Music was 'relatively expensive to buy'? That's certainly not my memory - An album costs £20 these day, but they were generally about £2.99-4.99 in the 80s. I've got new release albums in my loft (from then) with price stickers on showing £1.99! I'd buy an album a week back then - Sure music was more important to me then, but I wouldn't spend £20 a week on a vinyl today.

Sure you can stream and download the odd tracks now, but you can't go and see a popular band live for a fiver these days (or even £50 for many!), the balance of revenue for music has changed.

Clearly you loved 'Britpop/Madchester' stuff, but honestly, the bands from that were as mixed a bunch as any genre - Oasis? A Beatles tribute band, weren't they? Of the big 3 (Blur, them and Pulp), they were by far the least creative or imaginative. Popularist stuff, for sure, I have What's the Story in my CD rack, but it's not something that gets much play. Stuff like The Stone Roses were popular for a while, but like so many other bands, they're popular with a group of people who were of a certain age at the time they were popular.

The 80s was definitely not all Kylie and Jason and Duran Duran (who knows, maybe you think they're one of the exceptions - I know people who say they're still pretty good live, although I've never seen them) - If you think it was, you obviously didn't investigate much or you joined in far too late!

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Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 22 February 10:55

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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I was early 20s then, there was some pretty dire music as well as the highlights. Terrible fashions too, as my wedding pictures confirm smile
But i’m a 60s music fan!

llewop

3,588 posts

211 months

Sunday 25th February 2018
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this as an example
hepy said:
If you think Eighties music (with very few exceptions) was great, you weren't there.

One national radio station playing the same rubbish, day after day, and regional stations doing the same. Plus music was relatively expensive to buy.

Absolutley awful until 88-89 when dance music started to have an effect on guitar bands leading to Madchester.

Kids these days are lucky that they have such a diverse choice of genres and multiple ways to listen to them.

The eighties were crap - ignore all the nostalgia programs that say they were great, they weren't.
vs this
Moonhawk said:
Yep - another 80s fan here. I'd say it was the most diverse and pioneering decade in musical terms.

We still had the remnants of Disco and mowtown, but also had some brilliant hard rock, soft rock, punk, snyth, glam, pop, new wave, rap, R&B etc

It was also the hey day of the music video............
and several more of each flavour

seem to show it is a very polarising era!

I'm with Moonhawk and the other 80s fans personally: finding it interesting that quite a number of 80s bands are touring/releasing new material even now and amazed they have the stamina to go out touring!

I think much of the time since the music has homogenised, with only a few standout 'usual' sounds or artists at any time, which is a shame. I saw something recently that was saying that with the download/streaming culture, the song has to 'catch' within the first few seconds or the listener will hit 'next/shuffle' or something like that. By contrast some of the best songs from the 80s have a slow build/long intro that wouldn't necessarily survive streaming impatience!

boxedin

1,354 posts

126 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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80s.

As the 70s closed out the 80s raided the funk, soul,back catalogues harking back to the 1960s, the takeover of electronic.
With sampling, drum machines, vocoders, synths and edge cases like the 303, a new world of music evolved and put in the hands of the average joe. This hadn't happened since the electric guitar and nothing, as far as can tell, has come along since. The Roland / Boss / Korg legacy is still here.

So what did we get, each item is a iceberg:

Electro - Up to 1985, then its all over ;-)
Dance - Paul Simpson Connection etc.
Hip-Hop ( Rap is as old as the hills ) - you can push back to the early 1970s depending on your point of view - The Last Poets' lyrical content of The Mean Machine, penned in the 1970s, is still a good listen are the lyrics of Fast Life by Dr. Jekyell and Mr.Hyde ( I can't remember which was the lawyer ).
Acid House.
Chicago House / Garage / Deep House.
Pirate Radio - there's a very good BBC documentary about LWR vs Kiss in London. I can remember clearly LWR being raided in Mottingham and apologising like mad for going off-air.
Electronica - e.g.: New Order, Front242, Depeche Mode, etc etc... Kraftwerk's key albums.
Jazz-Funk bubbled up.
Cassette tape-cut mixes.
DJing.
World Mixing Championships, at the Royal Albert Hall no less.

and in all that you could drop a solid Motown or Ska track in the middle and no-one would bat an eyelid.

You'll notice that most of these genres were born outside the UK. However, Chicago House was bigger in the UK than anywhere else outside of Chicago.
For instance, and IMHO this is not a great track by any stretch of the imagination in the world of House Music, but its a great repetitive beat. But with no Radio airplay, other than the pirates it went to #1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Your_Body

For all those moaning about the 1980s, I'll note you're referring to the charts and Radio 1, you missed all the good stuff. It was one gigantic mix-up of all sorts of new music.

As for 'Groove is in the Heart', another samplefest from the 1960s and 1970s!

Its all bit boring these days it means trawling through BeatPort rather than trying to find a weak FM signal. The 1990s was much easier for pirate radio.

57 Chevy

5,410 posts

235 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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boxedin said:
80s.

DJing.
World Mixing Championships, at the Royal Albert Hall no less.
I was there for that, it was awesome, James Brown performing too.

boxedin

1,354 posts

126 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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57 Chevy said:
I was there for that, it was awesome, James Brown performing too.
Excellent, I went once in 1987 and to Fresh '86; DJ Cheese's scratches were like nothing I'd ever heard before, a 'bit' deeper and louder than at home!

57 Chevy

5,410 posts

235 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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boxedin said:
Excellent, I went once in 1987 and to Fresh '86; DJ Cheese's scratches were like nothing I'd ever heard before, a 'bit' deeper and louder than at home!
I was at Fresh '86 too biggrin Only the early show, I was only 15 and was pushing my luck as it was. DJ Cheese was epic. Allen's army on manoeuvres smile

57 Chevy

5,410 posts

235 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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57 Chevy

5,410 posts

235 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Just checked and I was at DMC '87 too when Chad Jackson won with his cheesy mix biggrin I think I went in '88 and '89 too. It moved to Wembley Arena.

blueg33

35,897 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Examples:

Yes Awesome:

The Specials
Manic Street Preachers
REM
Nirvana
Joy Division (just 1980's)


No way, not ever, what a load of crap, will someone please shoot me rather than make me listen to it

Lionel Ritchie
Cool and the Gang
Donna Summer
Phil Collins


Summary - The whole subject is ultra subjective, but the 80's had some really special stuff and a whole heap of crap




Front bottom

5,648 posts

190 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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boxedin said:
80s.

As the 70s closed out the 80s raided the funk, soul,back catalogues harking back to the 1960s, the takeover of electronic.
With sampling, drum machines, vocoders, synths and edge cases like the 303, a new world of music evolved and put in the hands of the average joe. This hadn't happened since the electric guitar and nothing, as far as can tell, has come along since. The Roland / Boss / Korg legacy is still here.

So what did we get, each item is a iceberg:

Electro - Up to 1985, then its all over ;-)
Dance - Paul Simpson Connection etc.
Hip-Hop ( Rap is as old as the hills ) - you can push back to the early 1970s depending on your point of view - The Last Poets' lyrical content of The Mean Machine, penned in the 1970s, is still a good listen are the lyrics of Fast Life by Dr. Jekyell and Mr.Hyde ( I can't remember which was the lawyer ).
Acid House.
Chicago House / Garage / Deep House.
Pirate Radio - there's a very good BBC documentary about LWR vs Kiss in London. I can remember clearly LWR being raided in Mottingham and apologising like mad for going off-air.
Electronica - e.g.: New Order, Front242, Depeche Mode, etc etc... Kraftwerk's key albums.
Jazz-Funk bubbled up.
Cassette tape-cut mixes.
DJing.
World Mixing Championships, at the Royal Albert Hall no less.

and in all that you could drop a solid Motown or Ska track in the middle and no-one would bat an eyelid.

You'll notice that most of these genres were born outside the UK. However, Chicago House was bigger in the UK than anywhere else outside of Chicago.
For instance, and IMHO this is not a great track by any stretch of the imagination in the world of House Music, but its a great repetitive beat. But with no Radio airplay, other than the pirates it went to #1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Your_Body

For all those moaning about the 1980s, I'll note you're referring to the charts and Radio 1, you missed all the good stuff. It was one gigantic mix-up of all sorts of new music.

As for 'Groove is in the Heart', another samplefest from the 1960s and 1970s!

Its all bit boring these days it means trawling through BeatPort rather than trying to find a weak FM signal. The 1990s was much easier for pirate radio.
Great post.

It's funny you mention about sticking a Motown track in the middle of Electro tracks etc. and no one would bat an eyelid. I used to do exactly that on my mix tapes, which would get blasted out on my ghetto blaster wherever we happened to be at the time, and everyone seemed to love it.

For me, Radio 1 did its level best to ruin the 80s. They rammed all the crap they could down our throats, and sometimes I couldn't escape it (as I said earlier). I agree with you, there was a fantastic underground scene going on (although I was only familiar with it up until about '85).


Edited by Front bottom on Tuesday 27th February 17:03

entropy

5,438 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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boxedin said:
80s.

As the 70s closed out the 80s raided the funk, soul,back catalogues harking back to the 1960s, the takeover of electronic.
With sampling, drum machines, vocoders, synths and edge cases like the 303, a new world of music evolved and put in the hands of the average joe. This hadn't happened since the electric guitar and nothing, as far as can tell, has come along since. The Roland / Boss / Korg legacy is still here.

So what did we get, each item is a iceberg:

Electro - Up to 1985, then its all over ;-)
Dance - Paul Simpson Connection etc.
Hip-Hop ( Rap is as old as the hills ) - you can push back to the early 1970s depending on your point of view - The Last Poets' lyrical content of The Mean Machine, penned in the 1970s, is still a good listen are the lyrics of Fast Life by Dr. Jekyell and Mr.Hyde ( I can't remember which was the lawyer ).
Acid House.
Chicago House / Garage / Deep House.
Pirate Radio - there's a very good BBC documentary about LWR vs Kiss in London. I can remember clearly LWR being raided in Mottingham and apologising like mad for going off-air.
Electronica - e.g.: New Order, Front242, Depeche Mode, etc etc... Kraftwerk's key albums.
Jazz-Funk bubbled up.
Cassette tape-cut mixes.
DJing.
World Mixing Championships, at the Royal Albert Hall no less.

and in all that you could drop a solid Motown or Ska track in the middle and no-one would bat an eyelid.

You'll notice that most of these genres were born outside the UK. However, Chicago House was bigger in the UK than anywhere else outside of Chicago.
For instance, and IMHO this is not a great track by any stretch of the imagination in the world of House Music, but its a great repetitive beat. But with no Radio airplay, other than the pirates it went to #1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Your_Body

For all those moaning about the 1980s, I'll note you're referring to the charts and Radio 1, you missed all the good stuff. It was one gigantic mix-up of all sorts of new music.

As for 'Groove is in the Heart', another samplefest from the 1960s and 1970s!

Its all bit boring these days it means trawling through BeatPort rather than trying to find a weak FM signal. The 1990s was much easier for pirate radio.
Great post!

I was born in 1980. Earliest songs I remember is Billy Joell's Uptown Girl and Frankie by Boney M which are still guilty pleasures! Pet Shop Boys, Madonna sounded so interesting and even mongst all the crap there was these crossover gems which fascinated me as a kid from Art of Noise, Bomb The Bass, KLF, 808 State.

In fact there was a Now! compilation that had a side that contained Beat Dis by Bomb The Bass, Coldcut/Yazz and House Arrest by Krush which I used to listen to endlessly as a kid.

The technology has become enduring: 808s, 303s, 909s, SP 12s still in use today's productions.


gareth_r

5,728 posts

237 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Popular music is like the Jesuits. smile "Give me the child for the first seven years and I will give you the man.", except it's probably not the first seven years, maybe the third seven?

That's why old gits like me bored our children to death explaining that everything they heard in the 1980s or 1990s had been done first, and better, in the 1960s and 1970s.

That, and the fact that, for most people, what happened before they were born is just ancient history.

Still, much fun to be had pointing out to the later generation all the parts of their favourite music that was nicked from previous generations. My best mate's blues, r&b (the real stuff), soul, and jazz loving old man delighted in educating us, so I considered it my duty to educate my kids. smile

I was so proud when my daughter pointed out that Let Forever Be "sounded like that Beatles CD you made me listen to.".

irocfan

40,444 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th April 2018
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Front bottom said:
Btw, I was once accused by a girl of being weird because I didn't like any of the pap pop like Kylie & Jason. Work that one out.
I can empathise with that... started in a new job and was asked the usual "what sort of music do you like" so I thought I'd start out easy with Genesis (this was deemed 'ok') so went on to say Queen only to be met with "wow, they're a bit heavy aren't they?" It was at this point I thought I'd better not mention AC/DC, Black Sabbath et al. rofl


I have to admit that at the time there were quite a few 80s groups I didn't like but now am quite fond of (Duran Duran, Pet Shop Boys to name but 2) but overall I do love that era along with the mid-70s. Despite the minor synth love, I've always liked guitar driven music. From Deep Purple, through Whitesnake, Def Lepard to Evanescence and Breaking Benjamin I'm a through and through rock fan and each decade has served me well - other music fads of the 90s/00s/10s not so much

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th May 2018
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Just been reading through this thread yet I could not see one mention of Adam and the Ants!

I loved early and very late 80's,the 90's and the 00's but it has dwindled over recent years. Still good new music out there but a lot sounds like dirge these days to me!! (and I have a very wide taste in music so I am not being narrow minded about it.

Anyway Adam Ant is still touring worldwide and to good capacity crowds. Saw him live for the first time last year, twice in the end and he was just brilliant at his Roundhouse show. As a result I have just today got tickets to see him again at the Roundhouse. I was too young to see him live first time round even though I loved his stuff (I was only 7/8yrs old when he hit the big time) making up for it now.

Also seeing quite a few 80's bands at Let's Rock concert, looking forward to that!

Does anyone else still follow bands of old on tour? Gary Numan is meant to be good live.

boxedin

1,354 posts

126 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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Adam and the Antz, pre or post Kings of the Wild Frontier ;-)

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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boxedin said:
Adam and the Antz, pre or post Kings of the Wild Frontier ;-)
He does a mixture some Dirk, some b sides, some Kings, he hits and some lesser known. It is a good selection. Pre is 70's though so I was referring more to his 80's input.

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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Front bottom said:
Agree with that. I left school and started work in '85. I had the misfortune of working in locations for a few years that had Radio 1 piped in all day. There was no escaping it.

Hearing the latest Rick Astley 'hit' (put an S in front of that) for the third/fourth time every day made me want to kill someone.

I was soooo relieved when the Madchester thing hit!

Btw, I was once accused by a girl of being weird because I didn't like any of the pap pop like Kylie & Jason. Work that one out.

Edited by Front bottom on Wednesday 21st February 07:30
have you listened to radio 1 since the 80s? Its still the same, heavily rotated insipid crap to inspire the brain dead.

I've always been a bit picky about what I like, this topic seems to concern pop and popular music much of which is lost on me save for the occasional band, 80s pop though did seem a bit more honest than today's, even if you "sold out" you had to be able to play and sing (ie work at it) to a reasonable degree, without all the autotune nonsense smothering with its bland beige acceptability

Plus stop me if I'm wrong, 80s pop was at least a bit empowering. I listen (get subjected to) some of the rnb whatever dross is piped today and subject wise its so... diminishing, and demeaning.

Mexman

2,442 posts

84 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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bexVN said:
Just been reading through this thread yet I could not see one mention of Adam and the Ants!

I loved early and very late 80's,the 90's and the 00's but it has dwindled over recent years. Still good new music out there but a lot sounds like dirge these days to me!! (and I have a very wide taste in music so I am not being narrow minded about it.

Anyway Adam Ant is still touring worldwide and to good capacity crowds. Saw him live for the first time last year, twice in the end and he was just brilliant at his Roundhouse show. As a result I have just today got tickets to see him again at the Roundhouse. I was too young to see him live first time round even though I loved his stuff (I was only 7/8yrs old when he hit the big time) making up for it now.

Also seeing quite a few 80's bands at Let's Rock concert, looking forward to that!

Does anyone else still follow bands of old on tour? Gary Numan is meant to be good live.
Massive Numan fan here, try and make one of his concerts every year if possible.
Brilliant performer live, amazing stage sets and atmospheric lighting and sound.
I am personally a fan of his older stuff rather than the more modern industrial stuff but nothing will ever top the Fairwell Wembley Concert at Wembley 1981.
Unbelievable stage set and lighting, which for 1981 has never been beaten IMO.
YouTube it and watch it, simply breathtaking performance and atmosphere totally suited to his genre of music.