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P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 9th September 2020
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Can't decide where Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane would fit into Pepper, or which tracks could be dropped to make way for them!

With Pepper more or less in the bag by the end of April '67, they carried on recording bits and bobs for the Yellow Submarine film and then they were into Magical Mystery Tour - right in the middle of all that is George's All Too Much which is one of the best sounding records they ever made, I think it should have been released as a single instead of Hello Goodbye.




ThePrisoner

1,056 posts

209 months

Wednesday 9th September 2020
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P5BNij said:
Can't decide where Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane would fit into Pepper, or which tracks could be dropped to make way for them!

With Pepper more or less in the bag by the end of April '67, they carried on recording bits and bobs for the Yellow Submarine film and then they were into Magical Mystery Tour - right in the middle of all that is George's All Too Much which is one of the best sounding records they ever made, I think it should have been released as a single instead of Hello Goodbye.
Agreed on Harrison's All Too Much. Loads of tech on that track.

I have somewhere on vinyl an extended version of Penny Lane it's a little slower on the pitch and with extra Wind instruments.
I think they meddled with tape speed quite a lot in those days. Lennon's ' I Feel fine ' is a great example of that .

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 9th September 2020
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ThePrisoner said:
P5BNij said:
Can't decide where Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane would fit into Pepper, or which tracks could be dropped to make way for them!

With Pepper more or less in the bag by the end of April '67, they carried on recording bits and bobs for the Yellow Submarine film and then they were into Magical Mystery Tour - right in the middle of all that is George's All Too Much which is one of the best sounding records they ever made, I think it should have been released as a single instead of Hello Goodbye.
Agreed on Harrison's All Too Much. Loads of tech on that track.

I have somewhere on vinyl an extended version of Penny Lane it's a little slower on the pitch and with extra Wind instruments.
I think they meddled with tape speed quite a lot in those days. Lennon's ' I Feel fine ' is a great example of that .
Strawberry Fields is a good one for that, George Martin spliced together part of one take with another but they were recorded at different tempos, Lennon liked both versions but couldn't decide which one was best, so Martin played around with both sections until they almost matched.... the join is 17 seconds in! The way the song changed from a soft little acoustic ditty written while join was in Spain feeling homesick to a full on melancholia tinged psychedelic mindbender is fascinating. Paul's intro on the mellotron is perfect wink

Mark V GTD

2,248 posts

125 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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Just found a mint EP box set on ebay. The set came out in 1992 I understand and consisted of around 14 or 15 CD versions of the original 60's UK issued EP's. The only EP I am familiar with is the Magical Mystery tour one so it will be interesting to go through these. Nothing particularly new in terms of actual musical output but interesting nonetheless.

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Monday 14th September 2020
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Mark V GTD said:
Just found a mint EP box set on ebay. The set came out in 1992 I understand and consisted of around 14 or 15 CD versions of the original 60's UK issued EP's. The only EP I am familiar with is the Magical Mystery tour one so it will be interesting to go through these. Nothing particularly new in terms of actual musical output but interesting nonetheless.
I keep meaning to get the Pepper 50th anniversary set with all the alterntaive takes etc, a mate bought it when it came out and says it's beautifully done, listening to some of the outakes and studio chatter is recommended with headphones on in a darkened room...! Funny thing about Pepper is it's always talked about as the album of 'the summer of love', but it was made in the depths of a British autumn and winter.... they changed a lot in those few months tucked away inside Abbey Road....



















(By contrast, Scott Walker's debut solo LP was recorded in the summer of that year but sounds decidedly autumnal and is about as far away from the prevailing rock and pop wind as you could get).

Edited by P5BNij on Monday 14th September 14:15

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th September 2020
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My personal favourite is Abbey Road, played it a zillion times. What an album.
Harrison had come to the fore, his songs were equal to McCartney/Lennon, perhaps this contributed to the breakup ?

Only saw McCartney play once at Hyde Park, brought a tear to the eye TBH. A real Beatle! playing that guitar left handed.

singlecoil

33,738 posts

247 months

Monday 14th September 2020
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P5BNij said:
That'll be Fool on the Hill I expect.

nonsequitur

20,083 posts

117 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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The 'Anthology' series is full of out takes and alternative versions. A three set compilation, each one covering a different period of the Fabs output. Essential listening for all Beatles addicts.

DickyC

49,843 posts

199 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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nonsequitur said:
The 'Anthology' series is full of out takes and alternative versions. A three set compilation, each one covering a different period of the Fabs output. Essential listening for all Beatles addicts.
Off Topic - this reminds me I lent a colleague my Pet Sounds Sessions 4 CD collection, a lot of which is taken up with Brian Wilson trying to get session musicians to do what they saw as weird stuff. The chap gave it back and was very grateful. It isn't something you need to listen to every day and it was several years before I looked at it again. One of the CDs is missing. I've got no idea who he was. We were all contractors, he could be anywhere.

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P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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singlecoil said:
P5BNij said:
That'll be Fool on the Hill I expect.
The photo was taken in March '67 so not 'Fool On The Hill', I'm pretty sure it's part of 'Mr.Kite' they're recording. It's one of a series of shots taken by the 'Beatles Monthly' mag in house snapper.

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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nonsequitur said:
The 'Anthology' series is full of out takes and alternative versions. A three set compilation, each one covering a different period of the Fabs output. Essential listening for all Beatles addicts.
I have it on CD, the different versions of 'Strawberry Fields Forever' are fascinating and the 'sugerplum fairy...'' intro on the 'A Day In The Life' out take is rather spooky. It's remarkable what they achieved with the technology available to them at the time, they were still using four track and bits of sellotape whereas Brian Wilson was using state of the art 72 track over in California!

Mark V GTD

2,248 posts

125 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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P5BNij said:
I have it on CD, the different versions of 'Strawberry Fields Forever' are fascinating and the 'sugerplum fairy...'' intro on the 'A Day In The Life' out take is rather spooky. It's remarkable what they achieved with the technology available to them at the time, they were still using four track and bits of sellotape whereas Brian Wilson was using state of the art 72 track over in California!
'Pet Sounds', of 1966, was still mainly recorded on 4-track machines.
http://albumlinernotes.com/Recording_Mixing_Notes....

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 16th September 2020
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We'll blow me down, I honestly thought it was done on mega multitrack gear, must have got my wires crossed somewhere..!

DickyC

49,843 posts

199 months

Wednesday 16th September 2020
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P5BNij said:
We'll blow me down, I honestly thought it was done on mega multitrack gear, must have got my wires crossed somewhere..!
Easily done.


P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 16th September 2020
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DickyC said:
P5BNij said:
We'll blow me down, I honestly thought it was done on mega multitrack gear, must have got my wires crossed somewhere..!
Easily done.

''Putting you through now caller..... oh dear, Mr.Martin, I think I may have just erased George's sitar solo again, sorry....''.

Mark V GTD

2,248 posts

125 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Well I bought the big swanky Abbey Road box set - not opened it yet though. It has 5.1 surround mixes on bluray that I am looking forward to hearing :-)

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 30th September 2020
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Macca playing with his Mellotron and doing the intro to Strawberry Fields.... it sounds so evocative....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKPW92ndUA

January '67, filming the promos for Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane at Knowle Park in Kent, looks bloody cold....


















nonsequitur

20,083 posts

117 months

Wednesday 30th September 2020
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Great Stuff !

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 30th September 2020
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Some more from '67.... wink



















































The Richard Avedon posters were shot in '67 and sold in early '68....




Mark V GTD

2,248 posts

125 months

Tuesday 6th October 2020
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What a wonderful post full of fantastic photos - thank you so much!