Best album ever. Aja or Gaucho?

[Einion Yrth]

Mr Tidy said:

Never heard of Aja or Gaucho!

Nirvana with Never Mind, the Foo-Fighters with One by One, Muse with Absolution, Metallica with Metallica, Siousxie and the Banshees with Kaleidoscope, Pretenders with Pretenders would all rank up the top for me!

You're probably in the wrong thread,

[toasty]

Einion Yrth said:

Mr Tidy said:

Never heard of Aja or Gaucho!

Nirvana with Never Mind, the Foo-Fighters with One by One, Muse with Absolution, Metallica with Metallica, Siousxie and the Banshees with Kaleidoscope, Pretenders with Pretenders would all rank up the top for me!

You're probably in the wrong thread,

Exactly, this is the best Steely Dan album thread.

No one in their right mind would consider either of the choices as the actual best album ever.

Ps Master of Puppets > Metallica.

[paulguitar]

toasty said:

Exactly, this is the best Steely Dan album thread.

No one in their right mind would consider either of the choices as the actual best album ever.

Ps Master of Puppets > Metallica.

No, it is the best album ever, the answer is simply a choice between two Steely Dan albums, Aja or Gaucho.

[pitboard]

We will never see the like of Steely Dan again.
Proof that the world is in decline.

[cherryowen]

pitboard said:

We will never see the like of Steely Dan again.
Proof that the world is in decline.

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

If one was thinking of putting together a modern take, how about:-

Jacob Collier (keys & vox)
Guthrie Govan (guitar)
Guy Pratt (Bass)
Stewart Copeland (Drums)

[Simes205]

cherryowen said:

pitboard said:

We will never see the like of Steely Dan again.
Proof that the world is in decline.

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

If one was thinking of putting together a modern take, how about:-

Jacob Collier (keys & vox)
Guthrie Govan (guitar)
Guy Pratt (Bass)
Stewart Copeland (Drums)

Add Snarky Puppy and Cory Henry to that list.

Ps. I just watched Jacobs tinydesk concert, check it out.....

[snuffy]

In 2000 I got an email from a friend from Poly who asked "Do you want to come and see Steely Dan ?"

So I booked a ticket and a flight from Manchester to Denver. That's a long way to go to see a band.

Edited by snuffy on Thursday 15th August 23:16

[NDA]

Simes205 said:

Ps. I just watched Jacobs tinydesk concert, check it out.....

How did I miss this guy?

Thanks for the intro...

[Simes205]

NDA said:

Simes205 said:

Ps. I just watched Jacobs tinydesk concert, check it out.....

How did I miss this guy?

Thanks for the intro...

No worries, I seen him live twice. The first time was a while back doing his one manshow, 250 in the audience and no one talked during the concert!

[jontykint]

cherryowen said:

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

[T-195]

jontykint said:

cherryowen said:

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

But it's the musicianship, songwriting, lyrics and just general attitude that made SD what they were.

One of these best bands ever, with a great sense of humour.

[Trophy Husband]

T-195 said:

jontykint said:

cherryowen said:

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

But it's the musicianship, songwriting, lyrics and just general attitude that made SD what they were.

One of these best bands ever, with a great sense of humour.

Indeed. You have to have a sense of humour to name yourself after a dildo!!

[Honk]

Major dudes.

[GetCarter]

jontykint said:

cherryowen said:

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

In what way? Genuinely interested to know.

[Elderly]

GetCarter said:

I'm in a slightly different situation as I have a recording studio, so need reference monitors (rather than living room speakers).

My brother always bears in mind that most of his audience will be listening on some kind of low end system
and so he also utilises small inexpensive speakers (as well as reference monitors) in the studio when doing a mix.

..... back on topic; of those two albums - Aja.

[GetCarter]

Elderly said:

GetCarter said:

I'm in a slightly different situation as I have a recording studio, so need reference monitors (rather than living room speakers).

My brother always bears in mind that most of his audience will be listening on some kind of low end system
and so he also utilises small inexpensive speakers (as well as reference monitors) in the studio when doing a mix.

In my experience, the days of mixing on NS10's are almost gone. In Abbey, Angel, etc ... we use decent small speakers to mix. Most times we have a TV wired up to check the mix. (maybe that's just me as it's my target audience), Every studio ever seems to have had NS10s but I seem to see them sitting on the floor behind the desk!

Edited by GetCarter on Saturday 17th August 06:19

[Simes205]

Honk said:

Major dudes.

A great song and slightly off topic but deserves a link!

https://youtu.be/Wi2TKAGLpqA

[anonymous-user]

jontykint said:

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

His solo album had a few cuts tracked through this desk in Master Rock, spent months working in there. Check out Phill Brown's book 'Are We Still Rolling?' which covers his time in Master Rock working with Mark Hollis.

[Elderly]

GetCarter said:

In Abbey, Angel, Air ... we use decent speakers to mix. Most times we have a TV wired up to check the mix.

As you know - whether you're in the mastering rooms of Abbey Rd, or Air etc. you'll have the 'BIG' speakers which are tuned
to the rooms, small ones and whatever else you, as a producer are used to .... and bring your own toys too if you want.

You'll no doubt recognise this mastering room:

[TheChampers]

GetCarter said:

jontykint said:

cherryowen said:

Quite probably, but I think that's more an issue with a lack of appetite for SD's musical schtick. I don't think there's a lack of modern musicians capable of producing work of a similar quality.

I think Talk Talk and Mark Hollis in particular were on a par

In what way? Genuinely interested to know.

I think it’s apples and oranges to be honest. I’m 54 next month and SD were part of my growing up but (like Led Zep and others) I never really “connected” whilst acknowledging how technically (to my untrained) ears they were (same for King Crimson).

Talk Talk however, for me, drilled into the core of how I “felt” music; as they progressed, and deconstructed song form, everything seemed to become more complex, but more simple all at the same time, because they left “spaces” in there even more than say, the Cocteau Twins or Harold Budd.

I know you are a professional musician and composer, and I can only speak from what my ears tell me but:-

Desire

https://youtu.be/gPuxrLAbONk


And Mark’s voice; what an instrument in itself. O/T sorry but you did ask