Bill Wyman

[StevieBee]

Have been watching the excellent documentary series on iPlayer about the Rolling Stones. Mick, Kieth, Ronnie and Charlie all pretty much get an episode to themselves but not Bill who barely even gets a mention.

It occurred to me that I've rarely seen anything about the Stones where he was presented as part of the band despite him being a mainstay for what were their most successful years (62 to 93).

So some years since he was in the band, granted by why else might that be the case?

[Skyedriver]

Think he moved onto other things (Bill Wymans' Rythym Kings) and maybe distanced himself from the current band and now possibly music in general after the press hassle over his personal life*.
Just realised he's 87 so a few years senior to Jagger etc.

• From Wikipedia:

Wyman married his first wife, Diane Cory, in 1959 and their son Stephen Paul Wyman was born on 29 March 1962.[41] They separated in 1967 and divorced in 1969.[42]

On 2 June 1989, aged 52, Wyman married 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had "fallen in love with" when she was 13 and, according to Smith, had a sexual relationship with when she was 14.[43] The couple separated two years later and finalised their divorce two years after that.[44][45] In April 1993 Wyman married model Suzanne Accosta, whom he first met in 1980; the two had remained friends until their romance developed.[46] The couple have three daughters.[47]

In 1993, Wyman's son Stephen Wyman married Patsy Smith, the 46-year-old mother of Bill's ex-wife Mandy Smith. Stephen was 30 years old at the time. Consequently, the ex-Rolling Stone became his own son's ex-son-in-law, the father-in-law of his ex-mother-in-law, as well as the stepgrandfather of his ex-wife.[48]

[Muzzer79]

StevieBee said:

Have been watching the excellent documentary series on iPlayer about the Rolling Stones. Mick, Kieth, Ronnie and Charlie all pretty much get an episode to themselves but not Bill who barely even gets a mention.

It occurred to me that I've rarely seen anything about the Stones where he was presented as part of the band despite him being a mainstay for what were their most successful years (62 to 93).

So some years since he was in the band, granted by why else might that be the case?

Skyedriver said:

On 2 June 1989, aged 52, Wyman married 18-year-old Mandy Smith, whom he had "fallen in love with" when she was 13 and, according to Smith, had a sexual relationship with when she was 14.[43]

This is why

[vixen1700]

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

[redrabbit]

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

[Nethybridge]

Wyman is airbrushed from Stones' history, not just because of the Smith saga,
but because of the
Jagger/Richards Parallax Consortium Ltd. ,
who have made it no secret that all past members of the Stones were and are mere hired musicians who they [ Jagger/Richards] graciously allowed to share the
limelight.

Bill is known for being the historian
of the band and I'm certain he has serious dirt on
the odious Jagger/Richards sisters,
but being a gentleman, he has kept it to himself.

[P5BNij]

Nethybridge said:

Wyman is airbrushed from Stones' history, not just because of the Smith saga,
but because of the
Jagger/Richards Parallax Consortium Ltd. ,
who have made it no secret that all past members of the Stones were and are mere hired musicians who they [ Jagger/Richards] graciously allowed to share the
limelight.

Bill is known for being the historian
of the band and I'm certain he has serious dirt on
the odious Jagger/Richards sisters,
but being a gentleman, he has kept it to himself.

The irony being that it was Jagger and Richards who were the hired hands, Brian Jones started the band, gave it a name and took on Bill, Charlie, Mick and Keith in the first place. This is the advert he put in Jazz News magazine to get things moving...

[HD Adam]

redrabbit said:

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

Yeah. If only Gary Glitter had owned a nice Lamborghini Miura, we could still be listening to some bangin' choons.

[vixen1700]

Not sure what Glitter drove to be honest.

[marcosgt]

HD Adam said:

redrabbit said:

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

Yeah. If only Gary Glitter had owned a nice Lamborghini Miura, we could still be listening to some bangin' choons.

And yet Michael Jackson gets a free pass from everyone, weird, eh?

M

[Lotobear]

marcosgt said:

HD Adam said:

redrabbit said:

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

Yeah. If only Gary Glitter had owned a nice Lamborghini Miura, we could still be listening to some bangin' choons.

And yet Michael Jackson gets a free pass from everyone, weird, eh?

M

It's odd isn't it. Not excusing the behaviour but 'groupies' were a big thing back in the day and I am sure there were many besides Wyman up to it.

....rumours abounded about the activites of a certain celeb DJ feted by the Beeb who I seem to recall has a stage named after him at a music festival. Different times and all that - I expect other members of the Stones shagged many under age but Wyman was unwise to do it in the glare of publicity.

Again, not excusing it before the white knights sweep in but times were very different.

[Muzzer79]

Lotobear said:

marcosgt said:

HD Adam said:

redrabbit said:

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

Yeah. If only Gary Glitter had owned a nice Lamborghini Miura, we could still be listening to some bangin' choons.

And yet Michael Jackson gets a free pass from everyone, weird, eh?

M

It's odd isn't it. Not excusing the behaviour but 'groupies' were a big thing back in the day and I am sure there were many besides Wyman up to it.

....rumours abounded about the activites of a certain celeb DJ feted by the Beeb who I seem to recall has a stage named after him at a music festival. Different times and all that - I expect other members of the Stones shagged many under age but Wyman was unwise to do it in the glare of publicity.

Again, not excusing it before the white knights sweep in but times were very different.

Michael Jackson was never convicted, neither was the BBC DJ who was hinted at.

Wyman admitted it and married the girl......

[marcosgt]

Muzzer79 said:

Michael Jackson was never convicted, neither was the BBC DJ who was hinted at.

Wyman admitted it and married the girl......

Wyman was never convicted either - Why was that?

John Peel admitted to marrying a girl under 16, but that was legal in the state he did it in at the time.

And Jacko admitted to sleeping with young children, too. Whatever the actual fact, you have to admit that would certainly raise suspicions (at the VERY least) about most people, especially when you factor in the big pays out to the kids' families...

I'm not defending Wyman, but he was no worse than many others in the business, some who are still lauded, despite very damning evidence.

M

Edited by marcosgt on Friday 8th March 10:30

[Stick Legs]

An incredibly grubby time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Mattix

It is well documented that something in society went seriously awry between the mid 1960’s and the late 1970’s.
The peace & love of the hippies morphed into the selfishness of the new age period.

Counter culture lost ‘the man’ to kick against once they ‘started selling hippy wigs in Woolworths’ (Withnail & I).

It’s why the fascination with Charlie Manson exists, it’s a cipher for just how fked up that whole era was.
Everyone rejecting everything & secretly out for themselves whilst also preaching a gospel of peace & love man.

Then the 80’s happened.

F’in boomers man.

[Stick Legs]

Added that when I heard these stories as a young man I though it was icky but ‘different times’.

Now I have 2 daughters 11 & 17 they are children. It’s creepy and disturbing.

[Lotobear]

Muzzer79 said:

Lotobear said:

marcosgt said:

HD Adam said:

redrabbit said:

vixen1700 said:

I read Life the Keith Richards book a few years back and Wyman wasn't all that popular right from the start of the Stones.
Seemed he was just used as he had a bass and an amp and not popular with the rest of the band at all.

Can't be all bad, he did drive an SM:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/citroen/sm/19...

That's an interesting take. Obviously a paedo, but at least partially excused because famous and/or good taste in cars.

Okaayy...

Yeah. If only Gary Glitter had owned a nice Lamborghini Miura, we could still be listening to some bangin' choons.

And yet Michael Jackson gets a free pass from everyone, weird, eh?

M

It's odd isn't it. Not excusing the behaviour but 'groupies' were a big thing back in the day and I am sure there were many besides Wyman up to it.

....rumours abounded about the activites of a certain celeb DJ feted by the Beeb who I seem to recall has a stage named after him at a music festival. Different times and all that - I expect other members of the Stones shagged many under age but Wyman was unwise to do it in the glare of publicity.

Again, not excusing it before the white knights sweep in but times were very different.

Michael Jackson was never convicted, neither was the BBC DJ who was hinted at.

Wyman admitted it and married the girl......

To extend your argument, neither was Saville