Have we had Best Drummer yet?

[jesusbuiltmycar]

ralphk said:

best drummers or old best drummers?

best drummers, i nominate either josh freese, basically the most sought after session drummer around at the moment, used to play in a perfect circle

and derek roddy, probably the best ever, technically anyway

Do you know if A Perfect Circle have finished permanently?

[JaymzDead]

ralphk said:

...and derek roddy, probably the best ever, technically anyway

I'd forgotten about him, I'd say that Flo Mournier just shades him on the technical front though.

[RobM77]

Airbag said:

It's all about feel, and where drummers sit in the pocket. Anyone with half decent coordination can put in the time to build up the chops to pound out a 128th note solo, but knowing when not to play takes much, much more.

very true. And knowing what to play. Anyone can lock themselves in a room for a few years and become technically excellent, so it's the choice of what to play that really marks out a great drummer for me, thus my one and only vote for Jimmy Chamberlain.

[Mr Heathen]

I don't think it's possible to have one 'best drummer', there are too many genres to choose from which differ so greatly from one another that you can not compare between them... To say that Joey Jordison is better than Gene Krupa would be like saying custard is better than ketchup.

Anyway, here are my votes.

All time greats =
Buddy Rich
Billy Cobham

Contemporary = KJ Sawka
Rock = Brann Dailor
Leftfield/Alt = Amir ZiV
Dub/Reggae = Sly Dunbar

[garycat]

Gavin Harrison of Porcupine Tree gets my vote.

Listen to Hatesong here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZcKA_u2rXs

Yeah and I mean all 9 minutes of it

Mother and child divided is another good drum showcase...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPpwG3wf9A

And this Futile video shows him close up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsHyGbadzQQ


And he's such a nice chap he answers fellow dummers questions here...

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?...

Edited by garycat on Friday 21st December 15:53

[daphantom]

im not a drummer myself so im only going on who SOUNDS to me like theyre doing difficult things and making them sound good

sean kinney (alice in chains)

mitch mitchell (jimi hendrix experience)

keith moon (the who)

nicko mcbrain (iron maiden)

and i was always impressed with tre cool (greenday)

Edited by daphantom on Friday 21st December 16:12

[wmg100]

daphantom said:

mitch mitchell (jimi hendrix experience)

Edited by daphantom on Friday 21st December 16:12

He's a really terrible drummer IMO

He overplays on just about every Jimi track he did. There are many technically good drummers who are more than capable of doing the 100mph fills that Mitchell feels the need to do constantly, but as has been stated above one of the marks of a truly great drummer is knowing when not to play, to have a feel for the music and set a groove.

[robbo3112]

With regard to the current discussion - I always remember an after gig drink with my band when the drummer stated " It`s not always what you play but what you leave out which is important" to which the bass player retorted " Christ you left some f***ing amazing stuff out tonight!!!" Dave Garibaldi still gets my vote!!

[tank slapper]

RobM77 said:

There needs to be a greater emphasis on musicality in classical playing IMHO. I learnt the clarinet at school, but didn't truly develop musically until I learnt the guitar to play rock music. Now I've come back to learning the cello the shortfallings in the RSM syllabus and teaching methods are very clear to me. Classical training should include more: playing with others, playing by ear and improvising.

I would suggest then that your experience of classical music is somewhat limited then. My classical music training, apart from personal practice, consisted of far more playing with others than one on one lesson time. There could not have been a greater emphasis on musicality. Playing by ear is largely irrelavent for classical music, as is improvising (apart from specific skills like reading figured bass lines).

[ih8thisname]

JaymzDead said:

ih8thisname said:

Fail to see the joke here

Err, He's not actually that good.

Watch this the tell me it didn't send tingles up you spine

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-vhbbkHW28&feature=related 

[JaymzDead]

ih8thisname said:

JaymzDead said:

ih8thisname said:

Fail to see the joke here

Err, He's not actually that good.

Watch this the tell me it didn't send tingles up you spine

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-vhbbkHW28&feature=related 

Oh I agree that on the Justice tour he was at his peak but (and believe me it pains me to say this as a life-long 'tallica fan) most of the time he doesn't seem to be able to play as he did at his best and he certainly isn't at the level of Cavalera or Lombardo anymore.

[ih8thisname]

, Point taken.

I am also one of those who belive that the metal dissapeared with the hair!

[Griffrich]

Loads, my list would include,
Dave Weckl,
Neil Peart,
Dave Garibaldi.
Carter Beauford,
Vigil Donetti - unbelievable feet!
Thomas Lang - my mate James had lesson with him very nice chap apparantly.
For sheer skin violence, Chad Smith, never see anyone hit so hard, not technically the best though, saw him in Cardiff and he was very funny (20min stand up before he even played)

And I'll mention two personal friends - Gary Powell - Libertines & Dirty pretty things and Ian Matthews of Kasbian both top boys who didn't "make it" until into their thirties, there's time for us all yet!!!!!!!!!

Doh!! Forgot Buddy Rich.......how!?!

Edited by Griffrich on Tuesday 15th April 14:38

Edited by Griffrich on Tuesday 15th April 16:10

[RobM77]

tank slapper said:

RobM77 said:

There needs to be a greater emphasis on musicality in classical playing IMHO. I learnt the clarinet at school, but didn't truly develop musically until I learnt the guitar to play rock music. Now I've come back to learning the cello the shortfallings in the RSM syllabus and teaching methods are very clear to me. Classical training should include more: playing with others, playing by ear and improvising.

I would suggest then that your experience of classical music is somewhat limited then. My classical music training, apart from personal practice, consisted of far more playing with others than one on one lesson time. There could not have been a greater emphasis on musicality. Playing by ear is largely irrelavent for classical music, as is improvising (apart from specific skills like reading figured bass lines).

You've sort of proved my point in that statement though. yes, you're right, improvising and playing by ear is largely irrelevant in Classical music but I'd argue that these are two keys skills of music! Sitting in a circle jamming and making up stuff may be less intellectually challenging than, say, playing a written down piece of Shostakovich in a string quartet (of course!), but that doesn't mean that the ability to musically communicate and spontaneously create isn't a talent to be highly valued.

I should have explained myself more clearly as well. In the way things currently work, sub Grade 3 (i.e. beginners) most people tend to alternate between 1-1 lessons and practising on their own at home. My argument is that playing with others from the start is a much better way to develop pitch and musicality faster. Although I've no direct experience of it, I believe this is the basis of the Suzuki method?

[derestrictor]

Pour moi, Neil Peart, Vinnie Appice and Phillipe Bertillon from Motorhead..

[Dai Capp]

I like Chad Wackerman - great name for a drummer! Played with Zappa for a number of years as well as the likes of Alan Holdsworth - I think technically excellent...

Stuart Cable ex Stereophonics hit drums as hard as anyone I've heard - not particularly technically gifted but there we go...

Also the guy from Fratellis is pretty good - gets through a lot of work in a night, lots of tempo changes mid song...

Cheers

DC