You Tube blocking music videos for UK
Discussion
R4PID said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?
have to admit if can get stuff on youtube, then torrents are the next best step, you get to keep the film and probably play it in avi, top marks to the PRS for persuding people to try out torrents, and even more as they might find the music albums to go with the movie at the same time...
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?
tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.hornetrider said:
Also - care to comment on the fact that garages et al now have to pay to put the radio on?
Go read their site if it bothers you that much. As for the current situ'; yes the PRS have been shot in the foot - only as Google called their bluff in simple terms. The fact is that artists should see a bigger cut of Google profits from use of their own content / works - and I refer to indy artists while you may well be looking at bigwigs like the Beyonce's and Michael Jacksons of this world. The PRS is the only body able to take it to them and negotiate such terms. I know many look down on the PRS and I can see why but my patronising tone is a nod at yours and many others single minded / ignorant view on the situ'. No offence intended.Funk said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.These PRS guys clearly don't want the public to buy CD's of artists appearing on YouTube.
LDNrevs said:
The PRS are fighting the corner of artists who don't see nearly enough of what should be owed to them.
Are now those artists will get nothing, yeah they are real geniuses the PRS ...They tried to get greedy, Google told them where to go, and now they look like idiots because they haven't achieved anything except losing a whole load of money.
Edited by 130R on Tuesday 10th March 00:44
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Funk said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.These PRS guys clearly don't want the public to buy CD's of artists appearing on YouTube.
LDNrevs said:
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Funk said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.These PRS guys clearly don't want the public to buy CD's of artists appearing on YouTube.
It wasn't until Apple invented iTunes that a credible end-to-end solution was created. Also I know I've bought albums on the basis of liking the couple of songs that got released and hating the rest of the album - it's forcing bands to create great albums, not just great one-off radio-friendly hits which is a good thing IMO.
Funk said:
LDNrevs said:
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Funk said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.These PRS guys clearly don't want the public to buy CD's of artists appearing on YouTube.
It wasn't until Apple invented iTunes that a credible end-to-end solution was created. Also I know I've bought albums on the basis of liking the couple of songs that got released and hating the rest of the album - it's forcing bands to create great albums, not just great one-off radio-friendly hits which is a good thing IMO.
Yes in this case, Google have called their bluff so we'll see what happens. Compromise maybe? This isn't a black and white situ' - Google is not the goodie and PRS the baddie. It's just not that simple.
Funk said:
"it's forcing bands to create great albums, not just great one-off radio-friendly hits which is a good thing IMO".
NO! it's forcing us to be dominated, and the nations listening portal to be controlled by the majors.There's untold bands out there doing good stuff but creating a great album isn't a reality
if the only way of getting recognition is to sign to a big label
to get the distribution of your act and music out to the masses.
Then you're controlled by producers who make your sound and then you're pigeon holed.
For example, Listen to the radio, how many bands sound there same!
Cold play, Rays of s
te, et al.I think it's good that the PRS have told Google to go away, this will give us more access to more creative individualism on you tube.
........ I thought The Happy Mondays , Pills N Thrills comes close to perfection.
pistonlager said:
Funk said:
"it's forcing bands to create great albums, not just great one-off radio-friendly hits which is a good thing IMO".
NO! it's forcing us to be dominated, and the nations listening portal to be controlled by the majors.There's untold bands out there doing good stuff but creating a great album isn't a reality
if the only way of getting recognition is to sign to a big label
to get the distribution of your act and music out to the masses.
Then you're controlled by producers who make your sound and then you're pigeon holed.
For example, Listen to the radio, how many bands sound there same!
Cold play, Rays of s
te, et al.I think it's good that the PRS have told Google to go away, this will give us more access to more creative individualism on you tube.
........ I thought The Happy Mondays , Pills N Thrills comes close to perfection.
I agree with the posters above who have bought music after heaing it on youtube. I've also bought music after hearing it on Pandora, before that was blocked.
I can only see this as a backwards step as far as the artists are concerned. These services were a great resource to search out new music, and, AFAIK, were often used by the record cos/artists to officially release the clips themselves. These are ultimately promotional material, yet there is an move by the representatives of the artists to voluntarily limit the distribution of there own promos. It doesn't make sense.
Yet again, I suspect this is a move by people who want to retain the power/control they have over the artists themselves.
I can only see this as a backwards step as far as the artists are concerned. These services were a great resource to search out new music, and, AFAIK, were often used by the record cos/artists to officially release the clips themselves. These are ultimately promotional material, yet there is an move by the representatives of the artists to voluntarily limit the distribution of there own promos. It doesn't make sense.
Yet again, I suspect this is a move by people who want to retain the power/control they have over the artists themselves.
Cpn Jack Spanner said:
Funk said:
kong said:
Funk said:
It's things like this that really make me hate the music industry.
Why? Do you want everybody to make music for free?tty businesses getting in the way of people listening to music that the musicians want them to listen to. I'd wager people purchase lots of music off the back of hearing a clip or seeing a video on YouTube, much the same as they did when seeing a video or performance on ToTP or CD:UK.These PRS guys clearly don't want the public to buy CD's of artists appearing on YouTube.
If MP3s hadn't come along we'd all still be paying 18 quid for a f
king CD.I don't think it's a a right or wrong move... I think that PRS felt they should do something to protect the artists who are having their work listened to/viewed for free. The internet & music is also a very 2 edged sword, I agree that the internet is limiting CD sales as access to music online is so vast the big labels are struggling, but on the otherhand it gives the public more access to acts the record companies probably wouldn't promote.
i think youtube is used in both ways equally, by some to freely look at music without any intention of ever buying it, and by others to seek out new artists & tunes ultimately looking to buy a product. Unfortunately a move like this just means that people looking for a free viewing will just use the file sharing sites like likewire etc.. and the people seeking new music will be back to scouring web magazines, myspace etc..
Keep music live, go and see the bands/artists onstage (unfortunately for the big acts the ticket prices are now very very high because of having to make their money from tours/merchandise not CD sales)
i think youtube is used in both ways equally, by some to freely look at music without any intention of ever buying it, and by others to seek out new artists & tunes ultimately looking to buy a product. Unfortunately a move like this just means that people looking for a free viewing will just use the file sharing sites like likewire etc.. and the people seeking new music will be back to scouring web magazines, myspace etc..
Keep music live, go and see the bands/artists onstage (unfortunately for the big acts the ticket prices are now very very high because of having to make their money from tours/merchandise not CD sales)
If the record execs continue to cling to the Old Way, they'll find themselves dying out. It's actually entirely feasible for a band to record, produce and sell their music without the need for a record company now. So many big bands have been discovered online - the only requirement for a record label came when they needed to get tours and stuff done. And many will say that the band need the record label - far from it, the record label need the band! They can see how big the artist is likely to be and therefore the potential ROI.
In fact, it's going to put A&R men out of a job too, or make life ridiculously easy for them.
In fact, it's going to put A&R men out of a job too, or make life ridiculously easy for them.
chevy-stu said:
I don't think it's a a right or wrong move... I think that PRS felt they should do something to protect the artists who are having their work listened to/viewed for free.
like the radio?!?!?do people really sit and watch youtube rather than buying a CD or downloading a track? maybe I am getting old but I want to listen to the music in the car / in deent quality on my stereo at home etc, I don't want to have my PC playing youtube
youtube was a great resource for rarer music and smaller bands, used to use it to research music which I then buy if i like
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