The Beatles why does every one think they were so great?

[DWP]

elster said:

The only reason the Beatles were so big is because they were well marketed. Loads of other bands around at the time doing the same thing, this one just picked it up well.

Then one got shot, so anyone will be allowed to live on forever if one dies early or gets shot. Such as:

Tupac, Glenn Miller, Elvis and Beatles.

Who were the other bands around at the same time, who had the same level of talent and weren't marketed? Minor point the Beatles had broken up when Lennon was shot, every thing they would ever do had long been done.

[rupert the dog]

My then girlfriend, now wife, told me about them in, I think, 1963. I was still in the 6th form, but she was already clubbing in Liverpool Their name was graffitie'd everywhere already in Bootle. I didn't know who they were. I was listening to the Everley Brothers, Del Shannon and things like "Talahassie Lassie" by Freddie Cannon (great guitar intro riff). It wasn't really until "She Loves You" was released that my consciousness was raised, I thought "Love Me Do" was rubbish. Things moved on from there very quickly, and I became a big fan. They did a lot of crap, but they also wrote and performed many classic songs. Sir Paul can be a bit of a pain in the arse these days, but he can afford to - he's written some of the most memorable songs around, either on his own or with John. They were great. They were of their time. Lennon/McCartney was a great songwriting team. They did introduce some innovations (with George Martin's invaluable direction) to recording. That's it.

[ITMonkey]

rupert the dog said:

stuff

[Zod]

The Beatles are not my favourite group, but I do rate their albums from Rubber Soul onwards. Their earlier stuff was mixed in my view, but then there wasn't much competition apart from the Stones. Most of their output from Rubber Soul onwards is genius.

[Nadyenka]

DWP said:

Nadyenka said:

It is not that I hate music from that time because some I love The Doors,Jimi Hendrix,The Rolling Stones also Led Zepplin are from the same time?.But I do not like the music The Beatles make and I do not understand why so many persons think they are the best ever.
I do not hate them or feel bad that they make their music but it does not interest me.

Edited by Nadyenka on Tuesday 7th April 19:35

My son has very much the same tastes as yourself, big fan of the bands you mention. He can't stand the Beatles. As I grew up listening to some seriously boring music in the 50s, the Beatles arrived as a breath of fresh air. All the good 50s music had been hidden from most of us; the BBC Light programme played music that was not even remotely interesting. What the Beatles did was introduce the majority of the country to another type of music and with George Martin, created a whole new way of writing and recording music. If you want to know what they replaced, the first time I ever saw them, top of the Bill was Helen Shapiro. Who? I can hear you ask. This at the Matrix Ballroom Coventry. Just to add a boring bid of pedantry, Led Zep are in real terms much later than the Beatles. The Stones needed a Beatles song, I Wanna Be Your Man, to record and wake them up to the fact they needed to write their own stuff. The Stones up until then had covered American R&B . Just one example of how the Beatles led the music scene. I suppose you had to be there. But given the choice of a Paul McCartney or a Stones concert, it would be The Stones by a mile

I like many different type of music and it is right that I was not there because I am 21 only.I do not hate them but I think for me they are like Coldplay are now because many persons say they are the best and their music to me is not.

[gareth_r]

Listen to the Beatles in 1962, then listen to the Beatles in 1966 - Love Me Do to Tomorrow Never Knows. Now name a modern band whose music has progressed so much in four years.

Popular music changed more quickly in the 60s than at any time since (and I'd argue that the only comparable change was in the 20s, when Louis Armstrong introduced to a mass audience the style of singing we now associate with popular music).

Everything you listen to now would not exist without the 60s, and in the middle of that decade (say Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt. Pepper), the Beatles and George Martin were right at the forefront of the changes.

They weren't the only ones. Listen to the Stones in '64 and '70, Sam Cooke in 1960 then "A Change Is Gonna Come" in 1963, and, if you want, the Shadows and Led Zeppelin. These are a few examples, from many, of the speed of change.

Edited by gareth_r on Wednesday 8th April 00:27

[parakitaMol.]

I don't know the answer to the OP.

Their songs all sound the same to me. Nursery rhymes with a guitar and drums.

I really hate lego head Paul McTwatney too. Which doesn't help.

[Baby Huey]

Republik said:

Their music was so different from anything previous. Imagine going from Frank Sinatra, Andy Williams and the rest of the rat pack in the 1950s to The Beatles. It was a huge change and took the world by storm. Imo there songs still sound fresh today.

It wasn't all trad jazz before the Beatles. Elvis, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis and many more. They certainly didn't invent music for teenagers.

John Lennon himself was happy to admit that they were hugely influenced by Chuck Berry and other Rock and Roll stars, many of them wrote their own songs too.

[Dickster]

I'm in a Beatles covers band and am not a fan at all. No sir.

I understand that "back then" they were something so new it would have been amazing but listening to them now I don't get it. The production is understandably very poor, the mix is rubbish, everything sounds whiney and is full of tambourine (as are most of the bands from that time). I don't think the song writing is so strong (Love me do? WTF?)

You can't really compare The Beatles to a "modern" band as any new band has a wealth of music to take influence from where as The Beatles didn't. That's where I think they deserve any credit, and to be honest I reckon there will be something of them in every band I listen to, no matter how diluted it will be by now.

One thing that does get on my nerves is the fact people almost insist you have to like them and if you don't then there is something wrong with you.

You DON'T have to like them, it's not a bloody law!

[shirt]

a minor point, but dylan had a huge influence on lennon/mccartney's songwriting, as he did on pretty much everybody. this is what helped the rapid change in the songwriting direction around help/rubber soul as pop moved away from bubblegum into more serious territory.

the dylan influence kicks in with a hard days night. lennon is quoted somewhere as writing a dylan song then beatles-ing it in the recording. you've got to hide your love away & i am the walrus are a bit more blatant.

the influence came back the other way as dylan, on hearing the beatles for the first time, ordered the car he was travelling in to stop as he was transfixed byt the band dynamic, and wanted a band of his own.

also, listen to dylan's fourth time around and the beatles' norwegian wood, one after the other.

_________


i like the diversity of the beatles, being able to pick an album to flavour the mood. white album is great but prob. my favourite is let it be. i just love the lolloping organ and harrison's blues.

i do think the kinks nailed them in pop terms.

[parakitaMol.]

shirt said:

i like the diversity of the beatles

[shirt]

ok, diversity may have been the wrong word, but i know what i mean!


ps - someone mentioned sam cookes's 'a change is gonna come', quality song!

[S7Paul]

parakitaMol. said:

I don't know the answer to the OP.

Their songs all sound the same to me. Nursery rhymes with a guitar and drums.

I really hate lego head Paul McTwatney too. Which doesn't help.

So you think She Loves You, Eleanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Helter Skelter & Let It Be all sound the same? I really don't see how, but each to their own I suppose.

[Nadyenka]

otolith said:

Nadyenka said:

I do not understand why every one say how great they were.I do not like any of the music they have make.Why do so many persons love them so much I am not try to insult them I just do not understand why so many persons say they were so good.

People might be better able to explain what it is that they care about and you don't if you tell them what kind of music you do like. From a quick scan through your posting history, I get the impression that you are unimpressed by subtlety, but that's probably unfair.

I like many different music.My 2 most favorite music persons are Jimi Hendrix and John Frusciante because I love strong good and also emotional guitar playing and also the sound of distorted Stratocaster .

[otolith]

Nadyenka said:

otolith said:

Nadyenka said:

I do not understand why every one say how great they were.I do not like any of the music they have make.Why do so many persons love them so much I am not try to insult them I just do not understand why so many persons say they were so good.

People might be better able to explain what it is that they care about and you don't if you tell them what kind of music you do like. From a quick scan through your posting history, I get the impression that you are unimpressed by subtlety, but that's probably unfair.

I like many different music.My 2 most favorite music persons are Jimi Hendrix and John Frusciante because I love strong good and also emotional guitar playing and also the sound of distorted Stratocaster .

In that case, I think you perhaps like a particular style of music, and it isn't one the Beatles really did - do you listen to much blues / jazz / classical?

Personally, I'm not exactly a fan - I think the only Beatles tracks I own are ones I've bought because I've been working on them with my guitar tutor - but they're as much a part of the cultural wallpaper as George Gershwin or Bob Dylan, so like most people I'm familiar with most of their work. I think they've written some songs that will continue to be remembered when the vast majority of 20th century songwriters have been forgotten.

Just on the style issue, do you like this Led Zep?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQGYciBkVs

and this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6QWQS-pRR8

And if you like the second one, would you have a different opinion of the composition if you'd only ever heard this version of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIO22ijrd4

[Stablelad]

The Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

[parakitaMol.]

S7Paul said:

parakitaMol. said:

I don't know the answer to the OP.

Their songs all sound the same to me. Nursery rhymes with a guitar and drums.

I really hate lego head Paul McTwatney too. Which doesn't help.

So you think She Loves You, Eleanor Rigby, I Am The Walrus, Helter Skelter & Let It Be all sound the same? I really don't see how, but each to their own I suppose.

Yes.

That is what I think.

And the same with the Beatles tribute band Oasis. Except worse. They are like cheating in an exam but coping the wrong answers down.

[shirt]

ah the old oasis/beatles thing. wear your influence on your sleeve at your peril.

[KB_S1]

Dickster said:

The production is understandably very poor, the mix is rubbish

Are you joking?
Seriously, are you joking?

[CommanderJameson]

parakitaMol. said:

I don't know the answer to the OP.

Their songs all sound the same to me. Nursery rhymes with a guitar and drums.

I really hate lego head Paul McTwatney too. Which doesn't help.

Preach it, sister.